Is President Trump's IQ around 156?

Discussion in 'Opinion POLLS' started by DennisTate, Feb 21, 2017.

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My guess as to President Trump's IQ?

  1. 150 or higher

    29 vote(s)
    15.7%
  2. 140 - 149

    20 vote(s)
    10.8%
  3. 130 - 139

    12 vote(s)
    6.5%
  4. less than 130

    124 vote(s)
    67.0%
  1. For Topical Use Only

    For Topical Use Only Well-Known Member

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    Every linguistically and communication challenged Trump supporter everywhere: "What he means is..."
     
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    Point taken, and yet I have assumed that trump owned these corporations, in that he owned the majority of common stock. And that stock were a part of his assets, personal assets. But granted, a corporation is a legal entity, which protects owners from liabilities, a clever way to conduct business, make money, and yet never held liable personally. The legal entity called a corporation is. Quite clever was it not? To insulated your efforts to make money from the liabilities involved in making money? Risks? lol
     
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    There are several hit pieces out there by the Washington Post who say that he did. I don't think they are exactly in the tank for Trump. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-an-ivy-league-school/?utm_term=.9043779482cc

    Fortune magazine's articles found no evidence that he graduated with distinction. They never even insinuated, as you are now, that he didn't graduate.
     
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    Yeah, Trump is the only person in history who ever formed a corporation, the dirty crook. I'll bet that you have some investments in a corporation or two yourself , assuming you are of working age and have a job. Now assume your retirement fund owns a few shares of Exxon. You think you can be sued personally if a tanker runs aground and spills oil? Should you be? If you do, you are in a very small group.
     
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    Nope, I am a retired successful business owner, a small manufacturing business, and do not invest in corporations, but preferred land. I like walking on what I bought and paid for. lol. And to sell at at least twice the price that I paid for it. ha ha.

    I never lost any money on land, but my brother lost his arse with his stocks when the economy crashed in 08. When he was gonna retire and pull much of his investments out, for retirement. There is less of a gamble in buying land, as long as you buy it in the right location. I always saw playing the stock market as gambling. Although a few have gotten rich from this kind of gambling. My wife's uncle for example.

    No I do not believe a middle class person who invests in preferred stocks to hope for a return should be held liable if the corporation he invested in does something which can elicit a lawsuit for damages. A different story though on the primary holders and other holders of common stock. You know, those who in fact own the corporation? But I have always hated corporations, given one of the major intents behind them. To protect the rich, from shady or irresponsible business activity. So if my business, not being incorporated, did something wrong, and it got sued for damages, I could have lost my house, all of my land, everything.....but of course this insured that I was very thoughtful and careful in conducting business. lol

    Yet I do understand that corporations have been served by the stockholders who invest to get a return on this investment, as capital gains. It is a way to loan money to a business, by non bankers. And it is a way for corporations to come up with money, outside of what their business is providing generating.
     
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    Well, thank you for the first part.

    If you mean by "primary holders," those who hold a majority or outstanding stock, that's not very many people as it relates to large corporations. What you mean by "other holders" I don't really know.

    As an interesting example, the largest owner of Exxon (XOM) stock is Vanguard, a corporation that administers mutual funds, in which millions of ordinary people invest.

    As for those who do own a majority, such as Jeff Bezos of Amazon, they are not free to engage in fraud and then hide behind the corporate veil. That is easily pierced in such a case. Or they can be prosecuted criminally, in which case their limited liability for civil damages isn't relevant.

    Moreover, they have no incentive to be criminal or irresponsible, lest they could foul their own investment.

    I don't know what the exact justification for limits on liability is. It originated in Britain, as I understand it, and it went in and out of currency (and legality) over time. I guess the justification is to incentivize private initiative to take on major projects of public utility (bridge building, provision of energy which no single person can afford to do on his own). Who would ever invest in Edison Light and Power if he thought he'd get sued for what some obscure engineer a thousand miles away might do wrong?
     
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    I do the same when I can, so congratulations. I believe, however, that there is something arguably sociopathic about selling to your fellow man when you believe the thing can only go down in value. It's hardly less or more reprehensible than taking advantage of laws limiting liability where you can (i.e., investing in corporations).
     
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    Yeah, I was talking about those that hold common stock. There is generally always a primary common stock holder. Which means there are other stockholders who do not own controlling shares.

    What might have relevance here and in response to your citing incentive for major projects, is that originally the legal status of corporations came with time limits. At least I seem to recall that from college back in the early 70s. Not sure if they were temporary or had a way of being renewed to keep their special status as a business. And with time of course things tend to change, to morph.

    There is no incentive for any of them to be irresponsible or criminal? So, seeing a crook at the top is so rare as to not be worth mentioning? I dunno sir, you seem to be a bit sheltered here, and perhaps just a little naive. I don't recognize that reality you just colored up for me. ha ha.

    What I had in mind involved a corporation that say made and sold something which caused significant harm, health issues created by their product, and deaths. So, in this instance if those harmed won the suit and were compensated, and if the corporation did not have enough money to pay the damages, they could file a particular form of bankruptcy and then are only required to pay the amount that their assets can cover. And remain in business. The people harmed do not receive what the judge and the justice system gave them. Now, if the stockholders were not sheltered by the creation of this entity, and just regular business owners, those that harmed would get more of what the judge said was due, and perhaps all of what they were owed. So, a corporation protects its common stock holders. Protects their other assets. And, that looks like a scheme created by elites who write the rules in their own favor and self interests. ha ha ha
     
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    Trump owns or has controlling interest in 500 companies. He has been involved in 6 bankruptcies. That means that roughly 99% are successful. When you consider that historically 80% of all businesses fail, having a 99% success rate is more than outstanding.
     
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    But businesses bearing his name have gone bankrupt EIGHT TIMES the most recent two being Trump SOHO and the Trump International Hotel in Toronto,Canada.And the Trump property in Panama just shed the Trump name forever.
     
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    First of all, he is not running his organization any more. Blaming him for recent Bankruptcies is like blaming Obama for Trump canceling the Iran deal.
    However, this may not be completely up to date. The article says four. Others I have read say six. At any rate even if it is eight out of 500 that is excellent.
    https://thelawdictionary.org/article/how-is-donald-trump-able-to-file-for-bankruptcy-so-many-times/
     
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    Actually....... that has potential.......
    Disney could well get into the production soon of reality plus semi- reality science fiction film projects......
    set supposedly in 1939 - 1950.... and other interesting time periods.
     
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    74 snowflakes, this could easily be are you a democrat or republican poll lol.
     
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    Thank you for that information........
    now to figure out how it might possibly fit with:


    I want to lure Mr. Peter MacKay back into Canadian politics....
     
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    If IQ measures intelligence and Trump's is 156, I no longer have faith in IQ numbers. It must be a false science.
     
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    Interesting debate. I'll bet no one ever accused Obama of having a IQ of 156. I am still waiting for him to name all 57 states.
     
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    I bet nobody would say Trump's IQ is higher than Obama's IQ.
     
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    Why is IQ so important? Are certain people wanting to use it as a political tool to gain power and advantage over others? Do they want people with lower IQs to lose their rights?
    I just don't understand why there is so much emphasis on it.
     
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    You'd lose that bet.
     
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    No one has said anything about penalizing low IQ people, so you are still safe. High IQs people are the best at solving problems. Do you want a leader who is able to compile a plan that convinces North Korea to abandon it's nuclear program or do you want a president who doesn't even know how may states there are?
     
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    I don't think I would. But, you are entitled to your opinion.:mrgreen:
     
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    LOL! Good to know I'm safe. Kim Jung Un hasn't actually confirmed that he is going to abandon his nuclear program. He did get the 156 IQ President to stop the military drills on the Korean peninsula though. I'd say Kim Jung Un has the higher IQ. He's getting what he wants, without giving up anything in return.
     
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    Concerning IQ levels: I believe certain people are insecure about themselves in some areas of their lives, so they like to tout their IQ numbers to make themselves feel better. Much like how some men will brag about their sexual prowess when they feel diminished in academics, maybe.
     
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    Three released hostages and a destroyed testing facility might disagree with you.
     
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