Is revolting against our government a viable option now?

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Is revolution a viable option as of today?

  1. Yes, the constitution is under attack and we must take up arms now.

    6 vote(s)
    9.1%
  2. Yes, however it is the final option once all other options are depleted.

    25 vote(s)
    37.9%
  3. No, not even as a final option.

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  4. No, the constitution is not in danger and people should relax.

    21 vote(s)
    31.8%
  5. Not from US, or no opinion.

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  1. Defender of Freedom

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    Some say that Americans should take up arms because the government is trampling over the constitution. Though this is true in many cases, some disagree, while others think that revolution is ridiculous as an option. What are your thoughts?
     
  2. AboveAlpha

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    The U.S. Constitution states it is the DUTY of every U.S. Citizen to remove any U.S. Government that no longer adheres to the Constitution.

    Has such a thing happened...no.

    Sure there have been a few laws passed such as background checks before a person can buy a gun but that hardly qualifies as a Government not adhering t the Constitution.

    I have been doing...JOBS for 3 decades now and such JOBS have taken me and my Team all over the world and there was many a time I ended up being stuck in some HELL HOLE for weeks on end thinking to myself I can't wait to get home.

    The one thing I and people like me absolutely can't stand is when a President is elected and then the other side acts like they are refusing to accept the validity of any elected President.

    Many times my candidate of choice was not elected but once any President is elected I shut my mouth and do my JOB and this person is the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES ELECTED BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

    Then some Political Group starts acting like the President is not their President and this has happened and many groups be they conservative or liberal have acted dishonorable toward the Presidency which is something I and people like me absolutely hate.

    I did not vote for Obama but he is the President and he was elected by the American People and people have the Constitutional Right to B!#@$ and MOAN all they want about Obama being President but for Texas Republican's to suggest the idiocy of Texas perhaps succeeding from the Union...well first of all that is NEVER going to happen and secondly to do this under the guise that the President is not duly elected and that the Federal Government is no longer acting in the best interests of the people when it is just such people not liking the fact their candidate lost...well it is dishonorable.

    AboveAlpha
     
  3. Steady Pie

    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can't have a revolution with such a small segment of the population agreeing with you. It just won't work.

    The constitutional US has ended. It ended ~1910. It's not coming back. People are okay with this.
     
  4. fifthofnovember

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    True...for now. But that is largely due to the comfort level of the people. If, for example, the dollar collapses, or the grid goes down, and people start living in squalor the likes of which they have never experienced, attitudes could change pretty quick. So far, the government had been bribing us in exchange for our freedoms. Once those bribes stop, things might change fast.
     
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    Steady Pie Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    (*)(*)(*)(*) I hope the dollar crashes. My gold and silver will go through the roof.
     
  6. fifthofnovember

    fifthofnovember Well-Known Member

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    Only their dollar value. Their actual worth will remain roughly the same.
     
  7. Questerr

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    Nowhere in the Constitution is armed revolt listed as a legal means of changing the government. The only legal means of the changing the government under the Constitution are elections or a Constitutional Convention.

    If you advocate changing the government outside of those means, then you don't love the Constitution. You are advocating taking a giant (*)(*)(*)(*) on it.
     
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  9. munter

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    :roflol:

    what, you mean when the masses are too busy pondering over who's gonna win Pop Idol, or which celebrity whore is banging who...? dream on, total joke thread
     
  10. Steady Pie

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    You say that like it's a bad thing. Politics is one great big circlejerk, and pretty much everyone sees it as such. No matter the political outcome, nothing really changes. Sure - sometimes it results in more or less dire consequences, but as an individual you have pretty much no control, no consent.

    So people couldn't care less, and I don't blame them for it. Much better to occupy your time with constructive things like music, work, study, leisure, etc.
     
  11. Defender of Freedom

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    The Declaration of Independence disagrees with you. It says the people have the right to change or even abolish their government if it does not uphold their rights as people. I think it is an option but a final option and it must not be used lightly. Though our constitution is being stepped on like a welcome mat, we must fulfill our responsibilities as citizens and using our rights to do so. As of today, it is nowhere near as bad as things were with blacks in the 60's, and even then Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. used peace as his weapon and he won. Things must be much much worse than that for revolution to be the only option.
     
  12. Defender of Freedom

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    Sadly you are right. Many people do not want to know what is happening and do not care and will blindly follow someone on the basis that they are popular. I think more Americans need to become aware of what is happening to our rights.
     
  13. Bluespade

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    When those in power no longer abide by the constitution, why should anyone else?

    All you're advocating is the people be bound to a set of rules that authority doesn't follow.
     
  14. Questerr

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    The Declaration of Independence is neither a law nor legally binding treaty under the Constitution. What it says means nothing in the context of the Constitution.

    - - - Updated - - -

    So you want to ignore the Constitution in order to protect it?
     
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    Wow, my point was completely lost on you. And by the way there's absolutely nothing in the constitution that you are claiming.
     
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    Casper Banned at Members Request Past Donor

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    While I do agree with those that state that the People can overthrow any government that has thrown out the Constitution and the Bill of Rights I also say that has not occured in the US as of today. Granted some things have changed but our basic rights and freedoms are still firmly in place. If the US government does go too far in a future date then I would join in fighting to re-establish those rights and freedoms no matter the cost. Until that day comes, if it ever does, we need to work within the system using the rules already in place to voice our opinion on how the Nation is being run. There is a small minority that believe we have already lost those rights and freedoms but so long as they are still free to speak their opinions publically they are making more out of their opinion of our situation than is actually the case and so long as the vast majority of Americans do not agree with their opinion there is no chance any revolution could possibly work.
     
  17. Questerr

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    The Constitution only lists two ways to legally change the government. Neither of those includes armed rebellion.

    Every single advocate for armed rebellion is taking a giant (*)(*)(*)(*) on the Constitution.
     
  18. Bluespade

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    The only steamy pile of crap i see is your interpretations of the constitution. By the way, Thomas Jefferson called from beyond the grave, and said you have no clue. what you're talking about.

     
  19. wgabrie

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    I'm voting "No, not even as a final option."

    I've seen what happens in the world after revolutions like the Arab Spring. Violent extremists take over and human rights plummet. There's just no way a new US government starting from scratch is going to be a good one.

    What do I mean? Well, for one, my interests clearly aren't being served by the paranoid people who want to revolt so badly. I've heard what they want to do to the issues I care about, and there's just no way I see any good coming out of a revolution in the USA.
     
  20. Battle3

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    Do you really think your rights are still intact?

    The Patriot Act, Kelo v. New London, NSA surveillance, obama openly declaring he will go around Congress when Congress does not do what he wants - and he does go around Congress, obama selectively ignoring laws that he doesn't like (such as immigration laws), the IRS targeting people for their political activity, the DOJ selectively enforcing laws based on race (such as "polar bear" hunting, the New Black Panther Philadelphia voter intimidation case), the militarization of the police, the Supreme Court legislating, and the fact that the US is now an oligarchy, and you still think your rights are intact?

    The only reason it appears that your rights and freedoms are still firmly in place is because you have not personally come to the governments attention, and the governments activities have so far not directly impacted you. That will change. One day you will run into a cop in a bad mood, or you will find yourself on a watch list, or you will be the victim of an anonymous complaint, or the govt might cross a line and you stand up and speak against it, or for any number of situations you will come into their crosshairs.
     
  21. Battle3

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    This speaks to your question
    http://www.alt-market.com/articles/2089-real-americans-are-ready-to-snap

    Despite popular belief, every culture of every nation draws a line in the sand against government tyranny. The problem is, many draw this line so close to total defeat that it rarely matters. For the Jews of the Warsaw Ghetto, for instance, it wasn't until the Germans had already herded millions onto railroad cars destined for death camps and cornered the rest into dilapidated central housing that the ZOB resistance was formed, only to be wiped out a month later. Perhaps hindsight is 20/20, but clearly too many freedom movements throughout history waited too long to respond to the trespasses of oligarchs.

    The Founding Fathers frequently struggled with the proper measure of resistance. Many colonials wanted vengeance on the British after the Boston Massacre in March of 1770, but patriots knew that the timing was not right. The battle to rally citizens to the cause and to educate the masses as much as possible on the facts took precedence over the desire to enter conflict. The Founders endured five more years of British government criminality until nearly 80 farmers and militiamen stood outnumbered on Lexington Green on April 19th, 1775 to confront an army of 700 British regulars on a mission to capture rebel leaders and destroy weapons caches. No one knew at the time that the war would be sparked that day, but everyone knew that a fight was inevitable and near.

    The question of when to strike back is pivotal to any resistance movement. Turn to violence too soon or without proper cause in the eyes of the public, and the rebellion may lose the moral high ground and the support of the populace. Wait too long, and the totalitarian hordes may be too far entrenched, forcing the rebellion to fight from a position of strategic weakness.

    There are those who might argue that America crossed the “red line” long ago and now our society is simply rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic while arguing over futile semantics. In certain respects, I can see their point. The U.S. political system is utterly lost. Anyone who still has faith in the Left/Right paradigm after two terms of George W. Bush and nearly two terms of Barack Obama is either insane, or mentally challenged. It should be obvious to Republicans and Democrats alike that our government does NOT represent the average man, and our election process is a sham. Democrats in particular should be equally furious and ashamed as the candidate they blindly worshiped to the point of cultism has now forsaken every value they thought he represented.

    The legal apparatus of the U.S. is also beyond repair. Those in the mainstream who argue that grievances with government should be addressed by the courts instead of independent action obviously have not considered that the courts continuously uphold and defend legislation like that contained within the NDAA, which allows for rendition, torture, and even assassination of American citizens without trial or due process.......

    No, we lost the courts a long time ago.​

    Something is going to snap, and I think the govt knows it. Its clear the govt is preparing for some sort of social upheaval. The upheaval might be financially based such as a collapse of the US$ or we end up in a real economic depression, it might be an epidemic, maybe a natural disaster, or maybe a combination of events. It might be an actual political revolt. But something is coming.
     
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    The most important responsibility for me and many people is protecting ones family. I am not seeing how an armed resistance against the United states achieves that goal. At this time I can voice my opinions, I can expect to be left alone by the government for the most part, and I go to work unmolested. My family is safe and there are no invaders threatening to conquer the country. So what is there to really complain about with a weapon?
     
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    The Constitution authorizes the right of the people to assemble and peacefully protest, and they may petition for redress of grievances. That's it. That's all the Constitution allows.

    It then grants the congress the full authority to quash rebellion and even institute martial law to enforce federal law across the states. In fact, it even goes so far as to grant them the ability to suspend Habeas Corpus to do so.

    As far as I know, no country or constitution has ever existed which grants a right of revolt and overthrow. That would not make any sense. Why create a country that can just destroy itself? The point is to establish authority only. Otherwise, who would decide when the government has stepped over the line? How many unconstitutional laws do they have to pass/uphold before it's legal to point a gun at a policeman? As you can see from this thread, many think America is as free as ever, and many think it's a police state. All countries are divided in ideology.
     
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    The federal government violate the fourth amendment billions of times per day. The president has granted authority to indefinitely detain any US citizens he wants to, and even assassinate US citizens. The Supreme Court, for the first time ever, broke its bounds in from the Constitution when it exercised judicial review to change laws without any arguing parties present and no circumstances or controversy arising from those laws. This was Citizens United vs. The Federal Election Commission. The Congress almost exclusively make laws for corporate bribes/friendship, not constituents.

    There is little to no concern for the Constitution in all three branches. That said, I wouldn't advocate revolt. I would base that decision on survival.
     
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    Yes, they are still intact.
    None of the things you listed remove even one of your rights or freedoms.
    I seriously doubt that but only time will tell, I do not get all worked up over bridges we have not reached no less ready to cross.
     

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