Is Ryan A Political Poison Pill for Trump?

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Can Trump move toward Ryan without sacrificing his credibility with his base of support?
     
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    No.

    But then how shocked would you really be to discover that this life-long huckster is a fraud?

    (Btw...I think you need a link to a news article to post in this subforum.)


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    Perhaps it is Ryan (actually, the establishment in general) who needs to move closer to Trump. Popular support would seem to indicate so.
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Ain't I one of them news sources? ;-)

    Given that Trump is not a politician his supporters will always counter with a "compared to what?".
     
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    Ryan is going to be about as important as his state Wisconsin turned out to be.... That is not important at all, not even a bump in the road. Moreover Ryan is bluffing and playing a plausible deniability game but he will have no choice but to throw full support behind the republican nominee. Not that it will matter either.
     
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    he will lose support from the anti NWO groups cfr globalist connection[​IMG] [​IMG] , but will gain the idiot masses from the middle..
     
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    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    I think that Trump has far more leverage against Ryan and his ilk that the other way around.

    “Trump has knocked the stilts out from the GOP establishment and crushed the pretensions of a battalion of political commentators on both the Left and Right. Portraying him as a vile racist, illiterate boob, or the end of civilization as we know it hasn’t worked because his growing supporters are genuinely motivated by rational concerns about border security and bad trade deals. Whether Trump, with his erratic impulses and gratuitous crudities, can morph toward statesmanship remains to be seen. We don’t need another bumbling rube like George W. Bush, who bizarrely ambushed German chancellor Angela Merkel by grabbing and massaging her shoulders from behind as she was seated at a G8 Summit meeting in St. Petersburg in 2006.”

    http://www.salon.com/2016/05/05/its...estless_bitterness_and_the_end_of_the_elites/

    I doubt that morphing toward Ryan will be viewed as "statesmanship' buy many voters.
     
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    AP_RESURRECTION Active Member Past Donor

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    i think that would go against the notion that the RNC knows better than the voters - that would in turn make ryan's voice and position somewhat meaningless - people will do anything to avoid situations like that when they lose power or influence
     
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    This is Trumps core base of support: “Record High in U.S. Say Big Government Greatest Threat, Now 72% say it is greater threat than big business or big labor”, by Jeffrey M. Jones, Gallup, 12/18/13.
    http://www.gallup.com/poll/166535/r...syndication&utm_content=morelink&utm_term=All

    Ryan and his ilk are not part of his base, and he does not need to add them at the expense of the voters who won the nomination for him.

    Working with Ryan is risky business for Trump.
     
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    Ryan is desperate. If the RNC had a clue Trump would not have won almost all of the primaries. DT should just stick Ryan if he has to.
     
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    I question whether "statesmanship" is high on the requirements list, or even if it is in in the 'PRO' column. My feeling is that the voters, on both sides of the aisle, WANT a bull they can send into the china shop to tear some (*)(*)(*)(*) up. They are tired of the status quo that is represented by Ryan and Clinton, et al.
     
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    Trump should tell that rino to stick it. Its time to rid our government in both sides of these do nothing establishment career politicians who do nothing except get rich off of the taxpayers.
     
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    In terms of the election Ryan is irrelevant.
     
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    All Trump has to do at the meeting is listen to Ryan talk, saying little, then tell Ryan he's a great guy that he looks foward to working with, adding the chitchat of "how's your re-election going? Anyway I can help?" and smile. Ryan would understand what he said. Ryan comes up for election every 2 years. Trump, or ANY Republican president could blow him away and Trump's team could blow Ryan away in this year's Republican primary if they need to.

    The fact is that POLITICALLY Trump is 10,000 times more powerful now than Ryan. Ryan's significance is only post-election legislatively, not pre-election politics.
     
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    Trump advertised himself as a deal maker, so anything is possible, as long as he really works toward "making America great again" and controlling problematic immigration.
     
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    i agree with you, completely - i think watching the RNC fall is great for everyone - they are too outdated and people are too arrogant to change quickly - they are just going to lose over and over again before they get the message - i'd say trump is a little savior to them, he's exposed their issues and hopefully will get them to improve quickly or make way for a more modern movement, either way
     
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    Yep :)
     
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    I agree. Ryan is despised beyond the RPe DC elite and his own district. It would be good for Trump if the RPe stopped trying to blow his campaign up, but if Trump embraces their positions he will viewed correctly as just another establishment Republican.

    Beyond that can he really count on the promises of support from Republican politicians? I would expect Ryan/Priebus to promise Trump anything to get him to compromise enough to destroy his credibility. When establishment Republicans say publicly that they prefer Clinton to Trump they mean it.
     
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    I think his supporters expect some flexibility, but news reports of his backing off this or that key position are not helpful. I think that Ryan and his ilk are trying to undermine Trump's support. What can the RPe give him in negotiations that is more valuable than his credibility as a political outsider?

    And will they really give him anything that they promise? They promised Republican voters many things to win the last 2 election cycles - did they deliver?
     
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    The GOP leadership - almost all its elected politicians nave betrayed their base through 2 election cycles - they are clearly corrupt and phony. Hence Trump. If Trump is seen to be in bed with these slime balls it will not help him a bit.
     
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    He can take a few baby steps, but frankly Ryan and the RPe should be shuffling on their knees as fast as they can to Trump.
     
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    NO! Trump will move toward Ryan and he will move away from his grass-roots fans. Ryan will demand that he disavow these grass-root fans, and Trump will. Fifty percent of Republicans don't like him. He will drop the current 50% and pander to the other 50%. Once he won the nomination, he no longer needed you. He wants to be popular with the GOP leaders. He will turn. It's politics.

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    He is going to turn on you and run into Ryan's arms.

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    Trump has played you all for fools. He has no character, and all he wants is power. He doesn't need you anymore.

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    Trump has played you all for fools. He has no character, and all he wants is power. He doesn't need you anymore.
     
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    Trump is despised by 75% of the people in this country, and who knows how many others in the world hate him. Why would he care what you want now that he is the nominee?
     
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    LOL! Then Trump has morphed into McCain! It may be time for another Body Snatchers movie.

    OTH, Trump is not known for being stupid. ;-)
     
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    says the Obama supporter. Not only did Obama play you guys for fools, Gruber told you guys they lied to you because you were stupid, and what did you guys do? You awkwardly golf clapped for him with confused looks on your faces. Yeah we are being played for fools. LOL. Well its not like your side has any integrity to make that claim. Looks like we will have to wait and see wont we.
     

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