Is Ryan A Political Poison Pill for Trump?

Clinton is far more compatible with Republicans like Ryan. That is why so many RINOs are now admitting that they prefer Clinton to Trump. RINOs prosper under DP government.

 

The super libbiez sh(@ their pants yesterday when 45 minutes turned Ryan into Trump's Bit*@

 

The monumental failures in Iraq and Afghanistan have probably eliminated most of the residual knee jerk support for war, and the residue will steam off with the first significant casualty list.

 

Trump's supporters will certainly not reject him for any establishment politician.

 

The democrats seem to be putting their support behind the status-quo (Clinton), whereas The People (regardless of political party) seem to be rejecting the status-quo. Perhaps a grave tactical error. This rejection is more pronounced on the republican side, however, it is a powerful force on the democratic side as well, as is evidenced by Bernie democrats responding to the WV exit polls who said they'd vote for Trump in the general if Clinton was the opposing nominee, by almost 50%.

 

The political establishment is apparently unable to believe what is happening to it. The DPe/RPe are in an advanced state of denial.

 

If that has really happened Ryan may actually survive the Trump tornado, but I am not sure these RINOs are able to bend very far with the wind.

 

It is my sincere belief that this burning down of the establishment, and the tar and feathering of the corrupt crony members of that establishment, will result in better governance for us all, in the long run. This, to me, is affirmation that The People really can use our established system of government to take charge and hold politicians responsible and accountable, if they become angry enough. While I feel Trump will be, at best, a mediocre president, I watch in amusement the 'monkey wrench in the works' effect he is having on the status-quo.

 

LOL, understand. My political support has pretty much been determined on whom I think the best candidate is. There has been a few occasions that best candidate wasn't from the two major parties. So I have voted for the likes of Perot, Browne and Johnson when I dislike both Republican Democratic candidates, when I feel each would be bad for this nation.

I feel that way about Trump and Clinton. Much worse a choice than Obama/Romney or Gore/Bush. But that is me and others feel quite different. Trump has changed his stances on quite a few issues and his support seems to grow. From Defund Planned Parenthood to Planned parent hood is important. From ban all Muslims to it is just a suggestion, etc. and so on.

I trust neither to lead this country. So I will vote for neither.

 

I like divided government. When one party controls everything you get some very far left or right legislation and agenda. Divided government provides a check and some balance to some very wild agenda. Although Obama has devised a way to bypass congress and hence the check on executive power congress was suppose to balance. But a lot of checks and power congress once held has been ceded to either the administration or to different government agencies leaving congress a tiger without teeth or claws.

 

Yes, pretty much true. But Trump had a plurality in all categories, never a majority. Even when it became a three candidate race. Trump won all categories with between 34% and 47% of whatever group. Those with college degrees Trump won with 34% to Kasich 28% to Cruz 26%. Without college Trump won 46% to 29% Cruz to 12% Kasich. Another close category was evangelicals where Trump edged out Cruz 47-46%. I also find it interesting Trump won the Republican conservative vote with 45% and the Republican liberal vote with 40%. Looking at all the categories it seems to me political ideology doesn't matter with Trump as much as his persona or the man himself. Regardless of what it was, it worked within the Republican Party.

Trump being one of the faceless mega money donors behind the scenes prior to this run in my opinion would be another business as usual candidate. I think and this is me personally, that if Trump wins quite a lot of his supporters will be shocked at how he governs. I think it will be more like a blue dog Democrat than any conservative Republican. But I also think we have already decided Trump is no conservative, as his supporters now refer to him as a populist and or a nationalist, but seldom as a conservative anymore.

Will that catch on especially with independents? Time will tell.

 

The problem is, the so-called "conservatives" of the past 16 years have been so scared of their own shadows that they never act like conservatives; they just talk like conservatives, and Ryan is certainly one of them.

I would agree that Trump is best described as a populist or nationalist, but I think he is as likely to act conservatively as any of the so-called conservatives we have now. You'd have to go back to Gingrich or Reagan to find someone who actually acted upon their conservative principles, and who had some success in doing so.

 

Is Ryan A Political Poison Pill for Trump?

Trump is the poison pill for the GOP. Trump has exposed the bigotry, greed, war mongering, and hate that is the definition of the republican party. The party leaders know they've been exposed, so they try to pretend to not be a part of it by acting like they don't want Trump as their nominee. Trump is the new leader of the Ku Klux Klan, endorsed by David Duke, who also tried to run for president as a republican. The Ku Klux Klan IS the GOP.

But now the party is in the process of conning the American voters into believing that they have control of their insane nominee, and they are making him retract his promise to ban Muslims, and start trade wars with the whole world. The whole "uniting of the party" is a put on. All of the political cons that have called Trump "a cancer" on the party are now giving him " kissy, huggy, lovey dovey, let me worship you", in a very lame effort to get the voters to do the same.

So the only question that remains, is just how stupid is this country?

 

The system is certainly being tested now, and it looks like real reform may be possible through the electoral system.
If the corrupt political establishment can accept losing elections the hot tar may not be necessary. Molasses and feathers might be sufficient.

 

I will never trust any politician to run the country very well. I do not expect much from them. Trump has apparently said that the Muslim ban would be temporary. That is probably not a fatal waffle. PP is not a decisive issue. I do not blame him for avoiding a big fight with them. The RP will never defund PP or NPR, or SS or any other established fixture of the USG and crony capitalism under any president.

Trump, like Reagan may nibble on the edges of central power. So long as even that is a possibility I will vote for him. If Sanders offered a plan to reduce the size, power and cost of government I would vote for him. Alas.

As you probably know I would like to see Trump or anyone call for big cuts and cash refunds, but I know that this is just too radical for anyone to seriously contemplate - shudder!

 

What nonsense. The Trump supporters head stomped the sheeted Klan and Nazi demonstrators at their rally. The voting public noticed.

 

You are right, Trump is certainly more conservative than almost all "conservative Republicans". "Conservative Republicans" who have supported the expansion of the size power and cost of government are progressives - RINOs.

 

Lol you're spinning and not even doing a good job at thst. Trump winning all social groups including high income earners and college educated voters doesn't mean it's all about the person. It means the opposite, his message and platform resonate with wide swathes of republican voters, regardless of their religious affiliations, the level of conservatism, education or income.

Lest we forget the independents and Reagan democrats voting for him in droves.... Explaining his wide appeal by his celebrity status or just the power of his personality is absurd.

 

Trump seems to be far more "conservative" than almost all RP politicians. He will probably disappoint his base, but you never know.

I am inclined to doubt that a person like Trump would go to all the trouble of running for president if he did not intend to make some very significant changes to the system. I am halfway through his book, he does not appear to be a fool.

 

Trump's celebrity is virtually irrelevant to his voters. Most voters have watched his popular Apprentice series and they have been entertained - he is a celebrity, but they have also watched how Trump handles himself and makes decisions.

Americans have far more knowledge of how Trump works than any other candidate for elected office in history, and people are not at all inclined to reject what they know for a fact because of an attack ad.

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Divided government guards the status quo - it stops reform. The status quo is pretty ugly now.

 

The public noticed that Trump said he didn't know who David Duke was. Do you think the Klan likes Muslims?...Mexicans?...Obama? You aren't even fooling the dumbest republicans.

 

I never said he was a fool. You don't become a billionaire being a fool. I do think he is a grand manipulator though. He knows the media and can play them to any tune he like. He used the bias of the media to his advantage, he made sure the voting electorate knew about the bias and ran against them. The man does have a head on his shoulder.

But I do not believe Trump has a vision where he wants to take America. I don't think he knows if he wants to take the country left or right or keep it like it is. For me he causes more and more questions. In other words, Trump first goal was to win the nomination. He accomplished that, his second is to win in November. But what about after the election? It is basically a huge blank page.

Okay, build the wall and ban all Muslims, but the later was only a suggestion.

 

In the old days prior to congress ceding most of its power, it mean smaller and a leaner government with out all the power residing at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. I for one certainly was not happy with all the reform done by Obama and his overwhelming Democratic congress during his first two years in office. I would rather have had no reform. No reform is better than a whole bunch of bad reform.

Reform for reform sakes isn't a good thing.

 

LOL! Duke did not show up at a Trump rally - the Klan sheets that did show up got the snot knocked out of them - by black and white Trump supporters.

No one is fooled by any of the obvious nonsense being spouted by Trump haters.

 

A person in Trumps position would have to be a fool to run for president without a clear vision of what he wanted to accomplish.
Most presidents make their fortune directly and then indirectly through government service. This would not motivate Trump.

Running of for president is a major hassle - and dangerous. Only a fool would do it for nothing. I am reading the Trump's Art of the Deal and I have found a few nuggets like this: "I discovered, for the first time but not the last, that politicians don't care too much about what things cost. It's not their money." AOD, Trump, 111.

Trump has been an outraged witness to government waste and corruption from the first of his many business projects. That is probably what has motivated his run.