Is Self-defense from Cop Abuse Allowed?

Sorry, the enforcement of our laws is dependent on cooperation. Without that, we have anarchy.

If a cop says face the car, and you elect not to, dont play innocent victim when they put you on the ground.

 

If it isnt about this situation, then dont post about it.

Yes, when it comes to law enforcement, you are obligated to comply. There would be no ability to enforce laws.

These people need to stop screaming victim, because they are only victims of their own stupidity.

 

a citizen has no obligation to follow an unlawful order of a LEO.

 

no, you are not obligated to comply with unlawful orders.

 

Assuming the account is accurate, the difference between attacking the police and attacking a criminal in defense of the perceived victim is huge. It would seem that the wisest choice would be to carefully observe everything, document it by video or making written notes as soon as possible, covering every detail you can recall. Police do cross the lines, and there can be recourse, but invariably it takes solid testimony to make it stick, and that is often not available.

 

Agreed however you refuse to comply at your own risk. And to be sure, those cops barking unlawful orders are armed and dangerous thugs.

 

no argument there. You definitely are taking a HUGE risk by not complying. I was just pointing out that there is no legal obligation to comply with an unlawful order.

 

no obligation. and a very very very very very bad idea to get involved.

 

I have actually done a lot of research on this.

While it is TECHNICALLY legal to protect yourself from an abusive police officer, in practice, there is no legal means to do so.

For example, if they sick a k9 on you for no other reason than they want to see it rip you up a little bit. the law dictates that you have to stand by passively and allow the dog to rip you apart.

 

can you cite the law stating you can not defend yourself from a vicious dog attack?

 

Take the beating, take the money afterwards, and then wait for the moment.

 

I could have made up a hypothetical. But nobody had an issue reading post #1 and understanding the context except you.

Then you claim since the govt makes the rules, you have to obey. Basically, you have no rights since the govt can just pass a law and you have to obey. Just like when slavery was legal.

 

Rule of thumb. The cop has the gun. Do everything you can to comply with no resistance whatsoever. Complain later, if you think you have been mistreated.

 

I video it surreptitiously and call the paramedics.

 

What applies sir is common sense. When cops with guns tell you to do something you do it. Failure to do so is simply going to cause everyone including you more trouble. Being polite to people wearing guns and uniforms is simply common sense. Sadly common sense seems to be in short supply in much of the country and not just in the black community either.

 

Constitutionally, you have that right. In the real world, cops are above the law and can do anything they want to you, and won't be charged. If you do anything to them, the law will hunt you down, and either kill you or put you in prison until you die, or are killed by the state.

 

Funny how your logic doesn't apply to cops when dealing with armed people.

 

garyd and I agree on how to handle this.

I remember the video of the young man, who been drinking, who resisted the police officer who wanted him out of the car. A struggle resulted, and the young man was shot dead.

A night in the drunk tank is far better than a forever dirt nap.

 

In regards to the OP, getting physically involved is the unintelligent thing to do. Like it or not, law and order involves some degree of public trust in those enforcing the law of the land. If you think it is out of order, you can report the incident to the proper authorities.

 

In small town America, where I grew up, in some villages it was possible the officer would be handled by his neighbors.

 

The recourse for unjust laws or actions by legislators is not at the point of contact with police officers.

Dont like the laws? There is a systematic way to fix them. Disrespecting authority and the ability to police our society is not the correct method.

 

The cops Job is to deal with armed people who are being asses as best they can. It is an entirely different perspective.

 

Thats not the topic.

The topic is whether you would intervene when police are grossly abusing their authority, the example was police beating a man who was handcuffed and face down on the ground. The situation is long past politeness.

 

Its not about unjust laws or legislators. Its about police beating a helpless person.

If you came upon a group of cops beating and kicking a handcuffed man who was face down on the ground, would you simply watch and report it even if it means the man is severely injured, disabled for life, or even killed?

 

Battle3's question has been correctly answered. Let's move on.