Is Self-defense from Cop Abuse Allowed?

I carry to protect myself, not others. I would have a strong compulsion to come to the aid of someone I witnessed being assaulted by police in court, or their surviving family as the case may be, but I would not interfere with the cops during their assault.

 

The point sir is that doing what you are asked will generally prevent the situation from occurring in the first place. Being polite and following instructions prevents most of life's problems.

 

Do nicely what you are asked to do by the police, get even later.

 

You assume that both parties act properly. You assume the cops apprehend the person, and the person co-operates.

Thats not the topic. The situation is that the person co-operates and the cops do not act properly.

 

In fact I have made a complaint before after witnessing what I thought was abusive behavior.

I however dont believe these situations of true victimization by police are anywhere near as prevalent as made out to be.

The problem primarily starts with somebody not following simple directions. It's that simple.

 

First of all you wouldn't have to shot, wound or kill one of the police officers to stop their assault of a person. One round fired up in the air would put a quick halt on everything. It's still a question of would I even do that. I usually carry but my answer is I really don't know. I guess I would have to be there to make a decision.

 

You do that, Capt Nice, to cops, and they will kill you for illegal interfering and threatening with a firearm. They will kill you.

 

And that is in dispute in this case. As I said I would simply call the paramedics.

 

Cops go to jail with frequency. Fighting with cops is stupid. I've had my share of run in's with the police traffic violations. I treat them as I would anyone else. I am polite, but I don't suck up. I do what I'm told, I don't mouth off and I certainly don't act as if they are beneath my contempt. Police academies in almost all major metropolitan areas start out trying to weed out two sorts glory hounds and hot heads. Both cause infinitely more trouble than they will ever fix. After that comes the dummies that think wearing a badge makes them God. Sometimes those propensities only show up under the sort of stress situations that no training situation can ever truly mimic but that is rare.

 

The NAACP is a joke. They just assume the air of civil rights advocates and host hollow public gatherings, but they don't really change anything.

 

If you survive.

 

Apologizing for State abuse of power is disgusting ... 10 orders of magnitude.

 

He didn't struggle .. what are you talking about ? The cop was right in the guys face as he was getting out and instigated the thing.

 

He was instructed several times to face his car. He did not comply.

 

He wasn't instructed several times to face the car.

Second, I seen the resist. I also seen that during the entire instance the guy never once attacked the cop or even had his hands away from his chest. But the cops proceeded to do things like ram his head into the ground and then throw hay-makers at his head. Clearly way too much force. They guy was not armed and looked like he was probably 150 pounds at best.

Unless you're some sort of cop-lover (and you calling this guy a thug...why?) who always sides with cops because you're so into law and order and respect (rolls eyes) than this is clearly an abuse of power. Any resistance to arrest does not give police carte blanche.

No, he's right. You do the same in a lot of situations because what looks like something extremely one sided may have an explanation in context.

 

No he is not right - There are many instances that are clear cut but, this is only half of the story. There are man instances where the incident never would have happened if Police were not engaging in arbitrary detainment - search and seizure.

The problem in many of these cases is not so much the Police as it is the increase in Police Power via bad law - law which violates the principles on which this nation was founded and the constitution .. such as "essential liberty is above the legitimate authority of Gov't"

Bad law 1) Gives Police too much power 2) protects Police from responsibility for abuse of power 3) increase the number of interactions between Police and citizens 4) angers the citizens due to having their essential liberty violated.

Result ? More interactions between pissed off citizens and Police. More abuse of Police power - power corrupts - more power corrupts more

Apologizing for State abuse of power is disgusting.

 

Just do what you are told by the cops. If they mess you up, take your reward in cash and the home addresses of the worse perps among the bunch.

 

There are far too many examples of cops just killing people while being videoed and they just go home to their families while the deceased is being fitted for a toe tag for me to believe they are anything other than above the law.

 

In almost of those cases the shooting was justified.

There is a reason cops used to be almost entirely male with a minimum height requirement around 6 ft tall. Simply put if you are a 5'6" female at about 135lbs your options for dealing with a 6'5" 290, uncooperative perp are a hell of a lot more limited.

 

Of course they're justified. Hell, Rodney King's beating was justified!

 

The Jury certainly thought so once the saw the entire clip and not just the highly sensationalized last few minutes. Sorry you have an issue with juries.

 

You do about 99.99% of the time.

 

Feds are more evil than cops.

 

Those highly sensationalized last few minutes showed a man who was on the ground getting beaten by about five or six cops.

I think it's safe to say that none of them were in danger of their lives, yet the argument is that they were...

We just might have to disagree on this. No matter what happened previously, what those sensationalized few minutes revealed, nobody but an idiot would say that any of those police officers were in danger of anything except lighting the fuse that would result in days of violence and looting from people who know that cops just get away with this kinda stuff, and yes, juries will look at unnecessary police violence and shrug their shoulders.

Want more of that? Keep it up, boss. Your pigs that you love so much might need to be doxxed. That's next...

I assure you that my friends who hate cops as much as I do might take things a bit too far. They have families, just as Rodney King has a family...

Or can we just stop this all now? It's really your (and many others) choice. It ain't going to keep happening without major bloodshed.

It's on you, boss. What do you want?

 

No one is apologizing for that what we are saying is that it isn't as common as some believe.