Is Straight Pride a Real Thing?

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Is straight pride a real thing?

  1. Yes, straight culture is under relentless attack

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  2. Yes but it is actually a gentle mocking of identity politics

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    45.3%
  3. Meh?

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  4. No, the whole thing is ridiculous

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  5. No, this is an abomination from the one group in America which was never actually oppressed

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  1. Reasonablerob

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    I think it is but not because it's fighting for equality but this is taking the mickey out of identity politics, saying to all the left wing pressure groups that sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, something which a lot of them don't seem to understand, it's the march of the politically incorrect, gun toting, red meat eating, Bruce Springsteen listening, Kim Kardashian lusting, straight and proud. .
     
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    Being proud of who, or what, you're sexually attracted to is dumb.

    It's not an accomplishment, it's just biology.
     
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    It’s “real” in that people actually say it but the reasons obviously vary. Some think they’re making a valid point (like you), some are just using it as an insulting parody, some have literal pride in their sexuality (or the one they present in public at least) and I suspect quite a few just copy what the bigger boys are doing to try to look cool.

    Regardless, you're pretty much all ignorant of the real meaning of purpose of “Gay Pride”, which was unfortunately poorly named at the time. It was never about actual “pride”, it was a reaction to the “shame” they were expected to feel, by society and government of the day. The point was to state that they wouldn’t feel shame simply for who they were. It was about striking a balance though, not pushing all the way to explicit pride. That just because the convenient key word because it’s the opposite of shame. That’s why “Straight Pride” is ridiculous in this context. Nobody has ever said anyone should feel shame (or indeed be insulted, attacked, criminalised of killed) for the sole reason that they are straight.
     
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    Straight people have no need to march for pride and never have, we have always been the norm and obvious. Gay people have always been the opposite and oppressed as abnormal so they need to be loud if they want it to change. Personally I do not think these flamboyant displays are in any way productive in this and actually hurt the movement.....I never really bothered with caring one way or the other, but seeing man in a leather too too is obnoxious.
     
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    I don't think anyone should be proud of who they are attracted to. It's stupid. Why would I celebrate who I want to bang? It's my business.

    Anyone who actually needs to display "pride" is in DESPERATE need for attention.
     
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    Yes, these people look like they are definitely celebrating their “straightness”
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    The events are more like mini-trump anti-gay rallies.
     
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    I am all in favor of insulting parodies.

    You are too. What is gay marriage but an insulting parody of real marriage?


     
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    Identify politics doesnt need thr mickey taken out of it..

    It needs to be beaten to death and it's corpse left rotting in the ditch.

    There should be one identity, American.
     
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    Damn glad I'm not so easily triggered as you, must be hellish living your life.
     
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    I actually have not seen these celebrations of 'straight pride'. I have always hoped this did represent a 'gentle mocking of identity politics' because guess what! It could use a little gentle mocking! We all do tend to take ourselves too seriously now and again, and Lesbians- Bisexuals, -Gays-Transgenders- Queers and Questioning can use a little ribbing from our straight friends and we ought to be able to handle it. But it is a fine line here, between that ribbing and a more aggressive form of humor designed really to put us all in our place and that is not amusing!

    My guess is it all depends on where these straights are coming from and whether such a gentle agenda is quickly overwhelmed by something a little nastier and uglier. But it won't all be from one place but a whole lot of them. We have to be frank that not all those people who have marched in those gay pride events have been overly cautious about not allowing some very angry, judgemental and even bitter messages to come through, so a harsher tone might seem a proportionate response.

    Its not!

    That anger, the undertow of rage and defiance came from the same place of incredible frustration bottled up for decades just as it does any nascent civil rights movement. We just began to get enough of that vented in the course of the seventies when GRID and HIV-AIDS created a whole new reason to rage. I think we are due a little extra deference considering the many ways in which the American response to the epidemic re victimized the same community who were dying with a thousand cuts I will not describe here.

    Personally, I think our best course at present is not to label all participants in straight pride parades as bigots or enemies, or as versions of Jay Leno in drag, looking for laugh . We should give this whole movement a lot less direct attention and stay wary . Don't let them pull us in, debating some false equivalency fallacy they may want to perpetuate.
     
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    No, but neither is Gay Pride really.

    Anybody who is proud of what they were born as really needs something else to be proud of. Like something they actually did themselves
     
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    Kim Kardashian lusting?? We said straight,not blind.
     
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    Alexsander. The LBGTQ in those parades are proud of something they actually did. They came out! We engaged in a long continuous process that involved a hell of a lot of risk, personally professionally and psychologically, and a lot of us did it when there was some severe sacrifices. No other minority group depended on virtual strangers to give them the emotional support their natural familial and community support systems did not. Young Blacks do not need to find a 'black bar' in a strange town, or a dark skinned dude in a park in the hopes of getting their first alliance to fight discrimination. They were born into those alliances. So were most religious minorities, women, and ethnicities. Those needed teachers and mentors through the minefields of bullying, stereotyping and self worth issues and everpresent marginalization came with an umbilical cord .

    Mine did not! In many cases that family every other minority could depend on, , and that umbilical cord was the real obstacle we had to face.

    Coming out and surviving, then learning to thrive is an accomplishment worthy of pride and, yes, a little yearly happy dance in leather or drag. Having sexual attractions is not what this is about.
     
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    Your not aloud to be proud . Lefty will not allow white pride or straight pride to exist. Thats how lefty rolls.
     
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    What party of my post indicated I am “triggered”.

    Facts are facts

    And my life is wonderful, thanks for asking :)
     
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    By real marriage, did you mean the one with the 50% divorce rate that was taken from non-religious traditions originally meant to close the sale of a woman to her husband?

    That “real marriage”?

    Same sex marriage is a much of a real marriage as anyone else’s.
     
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    Marriage between 2 men and a man and woman has an almost identical divorce rate, marriage between Lesbians has a far higher divorce rate.

    I was never anti gay marriage but I do find those numbers interesting.
     
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    Yes but you have an @AOC POV on facts.....

    Sorry for hurting your feelings but they're not facts.

    And yes not triggered we really believe you.......
     
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    Link?
     
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    I stand by my assertion;
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    I've been to many gay prides, I was a techno head there's a lot of overlap between the 2 scenes, especially the drugs.

    They were about taking really good drugs and excellent dance music, coming out I think you're stuck in the 80's lol and obviously never actually been to one.

    It wasn't until 2010's people started putting kids front and centre that's when it became insidious before that it was a laugh people went to have fun. Now victim hood is where it's at it's pathetic drove most my gay friends away from pride easier just to go Berlin for Bergheim.
     
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    Oh yes the post above does describe the experience of gays from the seventies and eighties as opposed to now. The movement has definitely seen a sea change in the environment it needs to respond to and the nature of that 'pride parade' needs to move past those early roots into a new phase and that phase needs to become more family friendly and move into a less confrontational approach as our goals change. I think we will have to pick narrower targets for our problem solving. Instead of cutting out our patient with a scalpel from the sternum to the intestinal wall, we need to use a laparoscopic approach.
     
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    "Pride" as such is, in general, a rather poor emotion. That makes all such "pride" encouragement demeaning of one's truest character.
    Not being ashamed is another thing. If one is profoundly oriented to something, or was simply born a certain way, there is no reason to feel embarrassed about it.
     
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    No You are dealing with someone who wants to see the same article that you are quoting your figures from. Being as it is normally your job to support your facts and arguments with your sources, rather than my job to find your support for your facts and your arguments with your sources. I expected you to act like an adult and provide them. My special need was for your source, not any of a number of sources of vaguely applicable data that google may lead me to over several pages. I will swallow your juvenile snark though because I got to the hypothesis that interested me.
    "
    Sociologists believe the lower rates of divorces among gay men may reflect a trend of women committing sooner and having higher expectations for a relationship.
    Gunnar Andersson, professor of demography at Stockholm University, previously found in successive studies that women in Norway, Sweden and Denmark were twice as likely to dissolve their civil partnerships than men.

    “This reflects trends in a heterosexual marriage because women are more prone to say they want to marry - but they’re also more likely to initiate a divorce," he told The Independent, after releasing his findings in 2013.



    "Women usually have higher demands on relationship quality, that’s often been said in studies. Even if you control for age there is still a trend of more women ending partnerships than men.”


    Previous figures show British women in heterosexual relationships are more likely to file for divorce than men, with women initiating the divorce in two thirds of cases in the UK in 2011."

    In short they theorize that this differential has little to do with lesbianism and marriage per se, but the doubling of the same risk women inherently provide for long term relationships.
     
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