Is Systemic or Institutional Racism still a thing?

Discussion in 'Race Relations' started by edna kawabata, Dec 5, 2021.

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Is it a thing?

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  1. GeddonM3

    GeddonM3 Well-Known Member

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    You apparently can’t read either . We do in fact care for their children they have here , they are able to receive WIC for American born babies .

    And they do receive American tax dollars in the form of public schooling , food and care in border facilities , and now obviously free flights across the country .


    WE PAY FOR THAT , not them .
     
  2. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Yes, I can read. The reason I don't trust your information is you come out with conspiracy laden statements like: "purposely keeping certain areas in bad shape to keep producing government dependent individuals." "But the main thing democrats want from them is numbers and increased population as they are taking full advantage of the fact that latino voters mainly vote democrat." Someone with that much of a partisan spin on reality can't be trusted to give a clear view of reality.

    Liberals have been fighting for school funding reform for years and the right complains about throwing money at the problem.

    The "powers that be" are not for strict enforcement of immigration laws. It's not one party. Business and its money loves undocumented workers. Many have fake or copied SS numbers and pay social security taxes. It's like free money to Social Security and it has no incentive to police the false use. E Verify is a system that can be used by employers to verify the legality of employees. It's "optional" in my Republican lead state.
     
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    How is it a conspiracy theory lol? Look at what is going on . Los Angeles , Portland, San Francisco are all perfect examples . Segregation by policy and the very foundation of systematic racism is taken full advantage of by progressives politicians . One of the progressive strongholds is high poverty minority areas because they keep promising them unicorns and rainbows and then don’t do anything but allow those areas to get worse .


    I’m sorry reality is too much for you to handle , but that’s the way it is .

    As for school reform they could do it in their own cities and states but they don’t and just stall by creating idiotic plans to push over the whole country . Fact is they don’t want to create better pathways for students , especially those in poverty stricken areas as progressives know an economically independent minority class would hurt their own foundations and narratives .

    How is it progressives can figure out how to give money for gender studies in Afghanistan but they can’t find a way to clean up their own school districts ? Give me a damned break lol .

    conspiracy theory haha!!!!
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for sharing your right-wing conspiracy theories.
     
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    Le Chef Banned at members request Donor

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    Generalization and stereotyping based on skin color? Sounds like ... what's that word? :rolleyes:
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    There are lots of studies that prove it's true.
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    In the first place, I didn't know it either. In the second place,
    I don't know about you, but I'm against racism.
     
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  8. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    You may be against the concept, but as seen here, conservatives dismiss the opinions and complaints of racism by those affected by it.....unless it is white male conservatives who feel they are being racially discriminated against.
     
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    How could you possibly not know that? It's in every SAT prep book. Did your high school not have a guidance counselor?
     
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    They told all the white kids but hid the information from everyone else. :rolleyes:
     
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    Studies? I wouldn't go there if I were you.
     
  12. edna kawabata

    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    In the early 70's, no prep book, no tutors, no guidance counselor. Just went in and took it and didn't do too bad.
    Here is a quote posted today on our cities reddit site about last years school proficiency tests....
    He's black
    "For example, when I graduated in 96, I literally did not know how to go to college. Like, for real, I wasn't sure if you walked into campus and signed up or filled out a form. Zero idea how to get that accomplished so I joined the military instead." He later went on to get three degrees without the help of his high school.
    So it ain't unusual.
    Yes, in the same thread they said in the urban schools a military recruiter was in the cafeteria daily and those who went to suburban schools had college recruiters visit regularly and never saw a military recruiter.
    I know you hate evidence.
     
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    There were prep books, tutors, and guidance counselors in the early 1970s.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    I was referring to my experience, but thank you for the instruction.
     
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    It seems more than a little likely that you just never bothered to find out about and avail yourself to resources that were available.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Thank you for your opinion.
     
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    Here's a fact for you:

    After all the free public education, welfare, and free meals at school, and even with affirmative action, Blacks don't graduate from college at anywhere near the rate of whites. Or of Asians. And of course, one has to have been admitted to college to fail to graduate.

    How about a free diploma? No strings. Would that help?
     
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    It is unclear what you are trying to say. Have we, as a society, done all we can? Is it time to give up on them? That sounds like your answer.

    The reddit thread I was referring to was was about my local public school system's 2021 proficiency exam results and the fact that just 3% of the Black kids passed both the math and English exams. That's really bad. So what's to be done? Throw up our hands and walk away?

    Public schools are getting worse, one reason is school vouchers and magnet schools. They cherry pick the best students leaving behind special needs, disruptive and the unmotivated students.

    There is also the issue of culture which the right likes to blame for all their problems when it's not genetics. Their culture has been shaped by 300 years of slavery and 100 years of continued racism and segregation. A scholarly tradition to get ahead was not part of the picture.

    Another culture in the US whose people have also lived in poverty, segregated, have been discriminated against and do not have a scholarly tradition are Native Americans. Their high school graduation rate is lower than Blacks and they have low test scores. So there might be a pattern there.
     
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    You've got plenty of excuses, I'll give you that much.
     
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    edna kawabata Well-Known Member

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    Where am I wrong?
    You have to understand the problem to fix the problem. It seems the rights "understanding" stops at the surface.
     
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    Whining anonymously on the internet leads nowhere. Not that you really want improvement.
     
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    Yes, we as a society have gone way too far collectively. "Free this and free that" sounds good to the recipient, and makes the politicians and bureaucrats think they are doing something (it's not even their money they are giving away) but in fact it inculcates
    insidious dependency. Give me a free lunch today and I'll expect another one tomorrow. And then every day. Forever. Why should it stop? What makes it stop?

    And why stop at food and education? How about free clothing, shelter and entertainment? Free energy? Free champagne? Transportation? Why not? Those things are important, too.

    See the problem? Once you go down this path, there is no incentive for anyone to do anything. To you, that may be great. To me, it's catastrophic.

    It not only destroys the soul of the individual, it leads to tyranny. If no one want to farm or make furniture, etc., etc., then there won't be any. To avoid ensuing mass starvation, the government will devolve into a police state. You'll work, or else.
     
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    It's not a yes no question. To a degree sure. Mostly in the criminal justice system.

    Black people tend to get longer sentences than others. who commit similar crimes. I think this may actually be a bias in people who serve on Juries.

    But beyond that I'm not sure. I'm willing to be convinced.
     
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    How do we know this to be true? You'd have to compare thousands of absolutely identical offenses by blacks and whites, with the exact same criminal histories, in the exact same jurisdictions, to really know.

    RE: Edna's "there was at one time." Yes, we know that.
     
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    We see a much greater discrepancy between men and women in sentencing.
     

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