Is the 9/11 Scam Coming Undone?

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  1. Bob0627

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    Nothing you posted has anything to do with what I asked you. No legitimate investigation determines anything prior to investigating, that is the purpose of every single investigation, to figure out what happened, not to assume what happened. In this case, it was the worst terrorist massacre in modern history, there is no excuse for failing to investigate EVERYTHING, especially to fail to chemically analyze the evidence as required by standard fire investigation protocol. Your opinion that "for most experienced architects and engineers, the reasons why the WTC collapsed was pretty clear" is not only irrelevant but is speculative at best and wrong at worst. Many question the WTC collapses and the ensuing investigation, some find it illegitimate and part of the reason why is what I stated (see underlined).
     
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    "large building fire temps can hit 1,300 degrees."

    Is that according to Simon Elliot aka Baghdadi or Colonel Osman aka Bin Laden???
     
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    "The maximum ceiling gas temperature in a large tunnel fire"

    That's the title of the link you provided but you claim that "large building fire temps can hit 1,300 degrees".

    Was that a mistake on your part or did you do that deliberately? You seem to be making quite a number of misleading claims. Why is that?
     
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    My guess is he has little idea of what he's talking about. He doesn't really seem like the type of guy that's spent years studying 9/11.
     
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    https://www.aisc.org/DynamicTaxonomyFAQs.aspx?id=1996

    The duration and the maximum temperature of a fire in a building compartment depends on several factors including the amount and configuration of available combustibles, ventilation conditions, properties of the compartment enclosure, weather conditions, etc. In common circumstances, the maximum temperature of a fully developed building fire will rarely exceed 1800°F. The average gas temperature in a fully developed fire is not likely to reach 1500°F. Temperatures of fires that have not developed to post-flashover stage will not exceed 1000°F.

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    Of interest is the maximum value which is fairly regularly found. This value turns out to be around 1200°C, although a typical post-flashover room fire will more commonly be 900~1000°C.

    https://www.doctorfire.com/flametmp.html
     
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    Further tests were carried out in compartments varying in size from 50m² to 340m² with fire loadings provided by gas, wooden cribs and standard office furniture. Columns were protected but beams were not. Despite atmosphere temperatures of over 1200°C and temperatures on the unprotected steel beams of 1100°C in the worst case, no structural collapse took place.

    http://www.steelconstruction.info/Structural_fire_engineering
     
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    But fire engineers say the temperature should be 1090 Kelvin (817degrees), a spokesman for the Australasian Fire and Emergency Service Authorities Council, Mark Chladil, said. Given the heat generated in the Victorian bushfires, it would be "foolhardy" to set a building code that underestimated the temperature of fires which at their peak could reach 1600 Kelvin (1327degrees), he said.

    http://www.smh.com.au/national/building-code-underestimates-heat-of-fires-20090211-84vt.html
     
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    You do understand that the Cardington fire tests were deliberately exaggerated with respect to normal office fires, the steel frame was totally unprotected and yet the structure never collapsed, don't you? This was the only experiment to my knowledge that was conducted simulating a steel frame building office fire. No experiment, computer model or natural inferno has ever shown that an inferno in a steel frame high rise can cause a global collapse yet it happened 3 times on the same day. Doesn't that raise any red flags for you? Why are you trying so hard to defend the official narrative and you raise no questions even though red flags should be going up all over the place?
     
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    let us know the next time a highrise has a terrible fire AND significant structural damage from a 757 impact.
     
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    I know.

    Because he knows 911 was a hoax, Israel was behind it, and it is his job here to shout down, lie, and attack those of us who noticed too much...

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    Confusing planes again. The 757 was supposed to hit the Pentagon. You can see it (the missile, not any plane) by typing 911 Pentagon into youtube...
     
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    So I guess by your persistent misrepresentations (including the above), denials, failure to honestly answer any of my questions, there are no red flags for you. WTC7 was not hit by any plane and according to NIST, the damage was not a cause of the collapse other than indirectly, by allegedly starting the fires, which didn't start until more than one hour after the collapse of the North Tower. NIST also maintains that neither the plane nor the fire (or both) would have caused the collapse if the fireproofing hadn't been stripped, which they did not legitimately prove and which could have only occurred at the crash site.

    Here's yet another couple of questions for you that I'm guessing you won't honestly answer:

    Why are you posting in the "Conspiracy Theories" section, "9/11" sub-section of this forum? What do you believe you're going to accomplish?
     
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    you gonna stop me?
     
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    That's your answer? Who said anything about stopping you? All you do here is misrepresent everything, including questions I ask you.
     
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    i was wrong abiout my first link.

    i responded with links refering to fires in buildings, not tunnels
     
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    how's that new investigation coming along?

    Bush and Cheney indicted yet?

    LOL!!!!
     
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    I tried to discuss a serious issue with you but you proved that 9/11 is not a serious issue for you as I already suspected by your prior posts and your non-answers to my questions. Anyway thanks for helping me explain the issue of the molten metal pouring out of the tower that was never investigated and how it links with the many eyewitness accounts of molten steel in the weeks following 9/11, otherwise your posts are not relevant. If you have anything further to add in a comic fashion or otherwise that I can use, please feel free.
     
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    Granted, Obama decided to become a traitor (assuming you accept him as an "American") the first week of his Presidency by covering up 911 and keeping NSA to spy... on Obama's enemies.

    If Trump wins, there will be real change... real change.
     
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    so, you think 9-11 was an inside job, you think global warming is fake, you think Obama wasn't born in the USA, and you buy into anti-Semitism/anti-Zionist conspiracy theories.

    call me shocked
     
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    There's only one kind of real change that will actually work for The People, it's the one suggested by the founders (see my signature). Trump is Nazi mentality, Clinton is a bit lesser fascist than Trump but also a dangerous warmongering liar and Sanders has been targeted to lose to Clinton. The situation is as awful as it can get, there are no real choices, the fix is in, it always has been.

    "Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable." - John F. Kennedy
     
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    911 was a deliberate fraud by "The Cause of Greater Israel," which also takes credit for JFK and the Marines in Lebanon 1982, possibly a lot more.

    Don't know where O was born, don't care, just want him indicted and convicted of treason, which requires him to be an American (instead of a foreign combatant)

    Global Warming is an obvious fraud, always was.

    I "buy" into truth, and right now, truth is very very "anti-semitic..."
     
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    careful, you're talking to someone who said there are too many "sub-humans" in the USA
     
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    To address the "is the 9/11 scam coming undone"
    I would say only maybe, there are a LOT of people that I have had the opportunity to talk with about the events of 9/11/2001
    and most of them are steadfast in their acceptance of the official story. this is a total bummer!
    for things of this magnitude, we need to be able to take it appart and examine all bits of the event, so as to understand what
    really happened .... the major feature of the whole scene is that the MSM lied about the hijacked airliners and lied about
    the demolition of WTC 1, 2 and 7.
     
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    It's a beertch when logic spoils a good story for the CTists.

    So 9/11 truth keep bleating, but they fail when it comes to proving their claims. Why don't any of the 'experts' 9/11 truth claim to have in their church present papers on their evidence for peer review?

    Simple, the scam would be exposed (which has already happened).
     

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