Is the "Deep State" a real thing?

I'm going to go with a qualified yes, I think there very much is an establishment encompassing, government, business, senior law enforcement, the judiciary and the media and they do dislike Trump and would ditch him if they could. I don't believe in all consuming conspiracy theories but the bias is there which is perhaps why Trump wishes to use unconventional channels such as Rudy Giuliani rather than risk leaks and sabotage.

I think people who tend to deny there's any such thing just think everyone else is like them and don't appreciate the outsider's viewpoint.

 

Well Chuck Schumer thinks so.

"Let me tell you: You take on the intelligence community — they have six ways from Sunday at getting back at you"

 

Of course.

Everywhere.

 

Wise Words From Moi

"Just Because I'm a Conspiracist
Doesn't Mean It Isn't!"​

China has facial recognition soft ware identifying
anyone in a public place,

has that violation of the 4th Amendment,
"The Patriot Act".

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Remember Obama self correcting this point and ID of upload person.


The State even records your vaccination history since you were born!


The Deep State occurrence has been slow, creeping, small steps over decades!
So innocuous as to make any Libertarian alarmist appear deranged.


Remember when "they" needed a court order to tap your phone.
Yet today "they" can tap your electronic foot print which to me is
like private papers and personal effects of the 4th.


What part do I have incorrect?

 

The deep state is a fabrication.

 

Consider What The State Knows About YOUR Personal Life
Today
Compared to 50 or 100 years ago, or even as intended by the Founding Fathers.
Intended as, Protections against A Deep State.


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Deep state is real, yes. Why would there be any doubt?

If they can do it with reasonable expectation that they won't get caught, and they won't get caught, they will do it.

 

The deep state is simply federal employees that actively work against the interests of a president, exists no matter who is president and has likely existed in one form or another since the creation of the country.

 

Yes, and job security for feds lies in socialism -- not for all of them but for many. Otherwise, many of them would be kicked to the curb.

 

Yes there is undeniably some form of deep state,

some of it is intentional some of it is for instance we know the FBI was infected at a very high level and the IRS was at some level.

it's highly probable that other organizations have been infected as well.

 

I have been a management consultant to various local and state governments for over 40 years. In every single one there are unofficial networks of employees some of which are dedicated to getting work done on behalf of the citizens by unofficial channels, but there are also those that work in various resistance networks to specific people and/or organization goals, these latter networks are often led by by a handful of people and enabled covertly by agency executives and politicians in political (both internal organization politics as well as that of elected office). Anyone that is in an organization knows the internal power plays that pervade any organization. Why would Washington be any different?

 

Of course there is and there always has been long before trump even mentioned he was running for the nomination.

For those too young to know just go read up on the Career of J. Edgar, Hoover. He was the FBI director for 48 yrs and he had a stranglehold on the entire country. He told everyone what to do, he had dossiers on everyone of any importance, every single person of means and influence was afraid of J. Edgar. Hoover Presidents left him in his position out of fear of being exposed. Think about he was FBI director for 48 yrs think about how many presidents reaffirmed his appt.

The deep state is alive and well and always has been

Liberals hate Trump because they hate anyone that isnt far left progressive loony. The Never Trumpers hate trump because he took their Power, he doesnt put their Profit first, he doesnt cater to the every whim of Wall Street, Corporate America, they utterly hate his Tariffs and his economic Policies and his going after new trade deals. That benefit AMERICANS more than Big Corporate, Big Bank and wall street interests.

The left will never admit it, the press will never report it, but Trump as president has been more for Americans Citizens <keyword citizens> than any other president of my lifetime. He will never get credit for it.

 

The Deep State is simply a reference to the permanent power fractions of Washington that have their own interests and agendas and which remain the same and intact no matter which President is in charge.

So, the answer is yes; The Deep State is an actual thing that really does exist only that the term is not a scientific one.

 

The idea of a Deep State, some singular grouping of powerful people all pushing in the same direction, is ridiculous. If they could achieve that kind of consensus and organisation, they’d just be the State. There is undoubtedly be all sorts of communications, agreements and deals which go on behind the scenes of business and politics at all sorts of levels but they’ll be competing against each other as much as working together. Essentially it is about us all being the same. This is human nature and there’s no reason that would change in this one context.

 

The way you are defining it, yes. There are inherent biases, based on professional perspective. People tend to see what they do as valuable and productive and threats to their perspective or their livelihood will be met with skepticism, with some institutional opposition and bureaucracies tend to reflect that broader pattern and governmental bureaucracy will have theirs as well. But beyond those generalizations, its all a bunch of crap and giving it the scary new label 'Deep State', is manipulative and self serving.

 

The "Deep state" exists but is really just the entrenched folks who've been there for a while and want things done a certain way, something you'll find present in the private sector just as much as the public sector, in both large and small companies. It is not the insidious cabal that Trump supporters have turned it into for their narratives.

 

The term implies that non-elected government officials who make careers out of public service are working to subvert the will and policies of the Trump administration and conservatives alike. Rather then ask yourself if this is true or not, ask yourself what is our protection from the power entrusted to elected officials who misuse or abuse power? We have the separation of powers, the law, public opinion and lastly career officials that can and do follow the laws, traditions and national interests of our nation regardless of which party is in power. I for one am glad they are part of the equation and find it reprehensible that they are being characterized negatively in such puerile fashions. The appeal of this type of meme to certain groups of voters is infantile. It is premised on the idea that the government is not of the people, by the people and for the people. Does the government get it wrong sometimes? Of course, that is why we have regulations, codes of conduct, inspector generals and the watchdog groups. The treatment of these two men who testified yesterday by conservative media is shameful. It is tantamount to saying that our entire government is corrupt. This comes from the same people who bleat endlessly about how wonderful America is and how exceptional we are, how lucky we are to have a foundational constitution, how benign our history is, how anyone who criticizes America is a communist or anti-American. Well folks, America is what it is partly because of our government and the fine men and women who run it and staff it.

 

So if I understand you correctly, you support the unelected government putting a check on the elected government. Are you in favor of any check on the unelected government?

 

Deep State is ALL government, including ALL civil service. I say this because EVERYONE who works for government IS IN FACT GOVERNMENT!

 

The "Deep State" is what used to be called Government by Republicans.

 

I would say that every large organization is filled with people who have vested interests.... if anyone has ever worked they know this is true.

when Obama was president, there were people in intelligence and defense that were skeptical of his preferred policies... and those people made sure that congress knew, and voiced their concerns

sometimes these long term employees have judgements that are informed by long years of experience in their field. Sometimes their judgements are just habitual ways of thinking. Sometimes their judgements are governed by self interest.

but the phrase “deep state” implies these people have some sort of consolidated agenda.... which is not true. It turns out that there are lots of conservatives in the defense and intelligence departments.

long term state department officials have different views than the defense department ..... so whose views are the views of the deep state? John Bolton has worked in government for his entire career.... is he a deep stater?

every time a Republican president is elected (which is often). These administrations promote civil servants who embrace their views. So.... maybe trumps views are controversial even among long time employees promoted by George bush? Like Bolton?

 

Not only is what we call "The Deep State" today EVERYWHERE, it's been around for at least since about the year 1900... almost 120 years ago, and maybe longer than that. Lots of reasons to support that idea, including creation of the Federal Reserve central bank by liberal Democrats in 1913 (thank you, Woodrow Wilson).

For fun, and a surprisingly useful perspective on "Deep State", sometime you need to watch an interesting movie from 1976 entitled, "Network", starring Peter Finch, William Holden, and an all-star cast. It was billed at the time as a 'satire' but it has turned out to be almost as descriptive of TODAY as George Orwell's masterpiece, "1984"....

Link: https://www.amazon.com/Network-Faye...=network+william+holden&qid=1573918971&sr=8-2

 

Both party members support it..But sans the siege heil mein fuhrer gig...

 

And a terribly dangerous one. It's akin to the "enemies" that all dictators create and must then "save" us from but is much more insidious in that it enables the Dear Leader to attack government itself and to root out ALL power that does not come directly from him while at the same time not turning directly on himself. It seems similar to Stalin's "revisionists" at first glance.

 

A copy of this upload is stored here and on all our computers. A copy of all knowledge is stored somewhere, that's why it's called knowledge. Several Universities I know of routinely archive the entire Internet nowadays. It used to be seen as a big deal, now it's just a small part of a back office.

The reason they can routinely tap cell phones is cell phones are really radios and radios are on the "free" airwaves. Besides, you can encrypt cell phones and not even the NSA can break some types of encryption, (they tell us)

Privacy is a quaint memory a bygone age