Is the MSM/DEM/Left strategy to go after the President working

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  1. Bluesguy

    Bluesguy Well-Known Member Donor

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    It probably does work on low info voters. Those that stay informed and are not political hacks? Nope.
     
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    They are offering Joe Biden and orange man bad. Not a winning combination. Still too far out, but currently it's still Trump's to lose. The recovery will likely decide it...
     
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    I don't think Covid will be a direct factor. I do think it will be an indirect one.

    Few that matter will blame Trump for Covid - as others have mentioned - these people are idiots - similar to fundamentalist right wing preachers claiming Katrina was a punishment from God ... there are plenty of fools on both sides of the fence but these will cancel each other out.

    How he handles the crisis is a different question - the sense that this has not been in his wheelhouse and he seems uncomfortable - nothing remarkable either way.

    One problem corona has created for Trump is economic - That was his biggest Trump card - now reduced in status
    Another is healthcare - This issue unites Blue and will get out the vote - affecting also the younger demographic .. getting a dose of reality changes people.

    This will be a tough election for Trump to win .. a major coup it would be.
     
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    The MSM is ripe with those trying to accuse Trump of a myriad of nonsense over COVID including Biden. And it gets back to my thread about which would be best to get tbe economy back on track again Republican as in Gingrich/Kasich mid-late 1990's and Bush/Republican 2000-2007 or Democrat/Obama-Biden 2007-2015? Biden will be tied to the worst recovery in modern history Trump to the best economy the country ever saw.
     
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    All the democrats can campaign on is 1--Trump is not handling the crisis well. 2--We would have handled it perfectly. Some poor souls will believe them.
     
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    Wait for the shoe to drop once Trump is on the rally stage late in the Summer when this gross exaggeration of a MORAL PANIC has subsided. Watch what happens when all the "models" end up rigged and outright fabricated by socialists and quasi socialist/Complex bureaucrats lying through their teeth. Wait for an alternate press, media and net unafraid of being threatened as "granny killers" to point the fingers.

    Wait for even average people to connect the easy dots to the Complex MSM and no one else in fanning this moral panic, exactly why they did it, and how egregiously it has cost the little people who are supposedly the constituencies of the Complex, let alone how much this charade has cost the whole country.

    Will wager the people will not be trying to stick this with Trump... other than the shills that is... and they will be ignored. But they WILL be sticking it somewhere.

    Given no unknowable Black Swans, and even the massive capacity for Democrat voter fraud, there has never been more of a layup POTUS election since 1984. If by chance the GOP gets the House, look forward to MASSIVE reworking/reform of media and press law regulations up through the courts. The days of an agitprop bought and sold press should rightly be over and likely will be.
     
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    I don't know about your conspiracy theory but it's doubtful Democrats will win the WH. It's difficult to overcome Trump's cheating. But I'll say this: those numbers are terrible. When have we ever had a President upside down in popularity during a tangible threat? Even Bush had over 70% approval in the aftermath of 9-11. 45% is a joke!
     
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    Did you ever admit that chloroquine and chloroquine phosphate are not the same the chemicals and that the couple in AZ were not Trump supporters?
     
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    Don't know why you need to go so far out on the margins of the page. The Economy was OK under the Donald - not nearly as great as touted by - ol Carrot Top - though. You - like Donald tend to cherry pick the good parts and deny the bad.

    Any fool can increase economic activity with massive credit card spending.
     
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    :no::no::no::roll::roflol:
     
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    It was one of the best we have ever had with the best employment numbers we have EVER had and the economy is not based on government spending and deficits they are two entirely separate matters.
     
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    Mostly it is going to depend on how quickly Trump can restart the national economy and put people back to work so that they can pay their monthly bills and put food on the table. If he can accomplish that in a timely manner then the nation will figuratively tell the leftist allied MSM and the Dem Party's leadership to "Get stuffed!"

    One thing though; there will be no more of Barack Obama HOWLING, "I built that!" in regards to the economy once Trump manages to get it roaring again.
     
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    Well even if the economy doesn't get back fully up to speed Trump can go look at the Democrat/Obama/Biden policies dealing with the 2008 recession, you want a repeat of that?
     
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    But really no one that was likely to vote for Trump in the first place has likely changed their mind in the first place most have probably only gotten progressively more irate at each new attempt to dump on Trump.
     
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    Since when do unemployment numbers tell the whole story of an economy ? That is what I meant by cherry picking data.

    Deficit spending is not a separate matter - when spending increases - regardless of the source - economic activity is increased.
     
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    Well it's a pretty key component, same with rising incomes as we have had under the Republican policies. And yes the government fiscal policy is not the economy but if you want to discuss that the Republican policies in the 2001 recession helped to keep the deficit to a one year high of $400B and they quickly brought it back down to $161B and that is what they handed the Democrats. So how'd the Democrats do after that and do you really want a repeat of those policies?
     
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    Unemployment is one component of many with respect to how well an economy is doing. It tells us that not many people are getting fired - what it doesn't tell us is how many people don't have jobs.

    Incomes did not rise that much - so that is a non starter - certainly not robust wage growth like one would expect in a good economy with low real unemployment.

    We are talking Trump - not Reagan - Trump went on a massive credit card spending spree.
     
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    Not exactly if your spending us providing growth and keeping a list on inflation and you can limited spending increases to less than the growth in GDP you are perfectly okay as we saw when the Gingrich coalition held Clinton's desired in check for the most part.
     
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    I didn't say anything counter your above statement. I merely stated the fact that an increase in spending - regardless of source - will increase economic activity - this spending will increase GDP - all other things equal - as in some catastrophe does not wipe out the rest of the economy.

    The bump in GDP under Trump - for a short time, roughly 1.5 years - was at least in part fueled by the massive increase in credit card spending. This is not some guess - some "maybe this wasn't the case" - The claim that a massive gov't spending increase did not impact GDP is simply not tenable.
     
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    Nonsense. It depends entirely upon how and upon what the government spends the money.
     
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    Which was the Republican claim in 2008 -2012 ... same story, different day.

    We can go back through the threads on this forum and read how many times the conservatives claimed they would have handled the economic recovery "perfectly". It's all opinion. Republicans and Democrats have become the Hatfields and McCoys - we really, really need a viable third party.
     
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    You are the one talking nonsense ... name one way the Gov't spends money that doesn't impact GDP.
     
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    I don't know about any of that. I only know that your OP paints a very bleak picture for Trump. And that it's laughable that you think it's positive for him
     
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    Did you ever admit that chloroquine and chloroquine phosphate are not the same the chemicals and that the couple in AZ were not Trump supporters?

    You don't know what you have posted? Try again.

    Did you ever admit that chloroquine and chloroquine phosphate are not the same the chemicals and that the couple in AZ were not Trump supporters?
     

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