Is the naive, militarily challenged, foreign policy neophyte, Trump starting a war with Iran?

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  1. kriman

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    Let me explain something which I thought would be painfully obvious. I am fairly confident that the US Navy is not looking at a single blurry photograph and coming to the conclusion the Iranians are responsible. I have no doubt they have radar plots of the tracks of boats and sonar signatures of those boat's engines which can tell who manufactured the boats and who most likely owns them. They probably have a few other electronic gadgets we are not aware of. I would not even surprised if there is not a US Navy submarine or two in the vicinity. If the US Navy says it is likely that the Iranians are responsible, then be assured the Iranians are most likely responsible.
     
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    I don't know if a war with Iran is necessary. A simple coup would be a huge improvement.
     
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    Whatever he knows and whatever he does, he should ask for advice from experts and not from people who tell him only what he wants to hear instead of what he needs to hear. In spite of his bragging, he does not know "more than the generals".
     
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    Joe Dunsford is not about to start a war with anyone. :) Keep hoping.
     
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    Do you really think our generals are into peace and love?
     
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    I think our military brass does favor Saudia Arabia over Iran.

    We should be withdrawing from the ME after the Russians ran us dominated s in Syria.
     
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    This may sound rather strange, but is is possible that a mine could release little drones, either as part of it's underwater attack or as it's entire thing? The reason for doing this might be that warships are often quite heavily armored under water but somewhat less above.

    Just a thought. I don't see anything about such on the Internet so I guess it's a dumb idea.
     
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    Not sure about the drone thing but even the mine thing could have been misdirection for a strategic reason.
     
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    What strategic reason?
     
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    Wouldn't know, misdirection maybe. Possibly to inspire some group to claim responsibility correcting the record?
     
  11. EarthSky

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    Lol......a donut with your cool-aid???
     
  12. Dayton3

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    Few if any American (or other western nations) generals actually want a war. There is a lot more downside in a war for a career military man than possible upside.
     
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    Meanwhile, Obama bombed 7 Muslim countries, issued record number of drone strikes more than his predecessor and ousted Libya's Muammar Gaddafi.

    Now, who is the naive, militarily challenged, foreign policy neophyte????
     
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    Yeah, I know. The problem is, one may start because a local commander or a fighter jock does something stupid. American and Iranian forces are in very close proximity. That is a recipe for a disaster.

    The Iraqi army and air force were defeated before the first bomb was dropped in the Second Iraq War. There is a reason it took less than a month for U.S. forces to capture Baghdad.

    Yet the war dragged on for over eight years. The coalition forces lost over 5,000 dead and 30,000 wounded.

    The IRGC has no such problem and they are very well trained and extremely dedicated. They have some of the most sophisticated warplanes on the planet along with ballistic missiles and cruise missiles that can hit our ships.

    The Iraq War would be a walk in the park compared to a war with Iran and her proxies. Adding to the size of the conflict, Israel would likely join the hostilities.

    Trump doesn't seem aware of what he started when he trashed the JCPOA.
     
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    I said sixteen years ago that we invaded Iraq that it would become the ally of Iran if we attacked that country.
     
  16. kriman

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    You went through all the problems about a problem with getting in a war with Iran and what you said is true. However, none of that had anything to do with the JCPOA which Trump "trashed".
     
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    Yes, it does.
     
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    No it doesn't.
     
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    You are correct. Our air force is five to ten times larger with more sophisticated aircraft.

    A quite a few are old US aircraft which they have to cannibalize for spare parts. They even have 64 ancient F-4 Phantoms. The US used the last of our F-4 drones for target practice several years ago.
     
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  20. Dayton3

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    Current inventory

    Aircraft Origin Type Variant In service Notes
    Combat Aircraft

    MiG-29 Russia multirole 20[24]
    Sukhoi Su-22 Russia attack 10[25]
    Sukhoi Su-24 Russia attack 23[24]
    Chengdu F-7 China fighter 17[24] license built MiG-21
    Northrop F-5 United States fighter F-5E/ Saeqeh 25[24] the Saeqeh is a reversed engineered derivate
    F-4 Phantom II United States fighter-bomber D/E/RF 47[24] 16 aircraft are configured for reconnaissance[26]
    Grumman F-14 United States fighter / interceptor F-14A/AM[27] 24[24]
    Mirage F1 France fighter F1EQ4/EQ5/EQ6 9[24] obtained from the IQAF fleeing during the Gulf War
    Maritime Patrol
    P-3 Orion United States maritime patrol P-3F 5[24]
    Tanker
    Boeing 707 United States aerial refueling / transport 4[24]
    Boeing 747 United States aerial refueling / transport 3[24]
    Transport
    Boeing 707 United States VIP one used for electronic warfare 2[24]
    Boeing 747 United States VIP 7[24]
    C-130 Hercules United States transport C-130E/H 28[24]
    Ilyushin Il-76 Russia heavy transport 5[24]
    Fokker F-27 Netherlands transport 5[24]
    Pilatus PC-6 Switzerland utility 13[24] STOL capable aircraft
    Helicopters
    Agusta Bell 206 Italy utility 3[24] one used as a rotorcraft trainer
    Agusta-Bell 212 Italy utility 2[24]
    CH-47 Chinook United States transport C 2[24]
    Trainers
    Northrop F-5 United States conversion trainer F-5B/F 22[24]
    Chengdu F-7 China conversion trainer FT-7 2[24]
    Mirage F1 France conversion trainer F1BQ 4[24] obtained from the IQAF fleeing during the Gulf War
    Pilatus PC-7 Switzerland trainer 35[24]

    The 20 MIG-29s might be considered "top of the line" but even that is a stretch.
     
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    I haven't suggested Dunsford would start a war. I've debunked the nonsense you reported about the Joint Chiefs selectively obeying orders. Iran is the provocateur, Gen. Dunsford will respond appropriately when ordered to do so. The president's strategy appears to be providing SA with ability to provide their own security against Iranian sabotage. The nonsense you keep posting doesn't even jibe with the garbage MSM is spewing. I'll have to check and see which of these feeds you talking points. https://www.alexa.com/topsites/category/Society/Politics/Socialism :no:
     
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    Keep up with the thread ... post #84
     
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    Given that every US Navy carrier task force has one or two subs attached to it I'll guarantee that a sub is present.
     
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    and as usual....you are on the attack. Implying our President is out to do the worst for America even though the facts are not in. Perhaps we should just give Iran more pallets of $$ like the previous administration ? You really take the cake.
     
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    I think it's possible they heard the launch's engines and mistook it for some sort of aircraft. I think it also possible that they are using specialized drones to deliver limpet mines and that the launch was their to retreive a mine that failed to go off.
     
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