Is the 'right to bear arms' unlimited?

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  1. CCitizen

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    I am sorry. I meant professionals, LE, licensed hunters.
     
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    Anybody can commit murder with the knife small children can commit murder with a knife. The only people who couldn't are quadriplegics in people who have had both of their arms amputated.

    Mini knives are designed specifically to make it easy to cut through flesh
     
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    Right so you disagree with the statement you said you agreed with because he included qualified citizens which you don't think should be allowed.
     
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    Polydectes Well-Known Member

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    I would agree with you you are 100% anti liberal because you are 100% authoritarian. You don't think people should have rights based on your feelings.
     
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    No comparison.
    Firearms have a dedicated purpose and are dangerous to others when used by unqualified people to an extent none other of these tools are. They project violence, injury or death for up to a mile away for multitudes of people at the hands of one person in a very short period of time. The simple act of retreat can save you from the misuse of a rope.
     
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    The comparison is actually pretty apt guns are extremely safe they don't pose a danger that's why they're considered a military weapon if they were dangerous the military in the police probably wouldn't use them.

    Precision makes them better not worse. The fact that you can selectively pick a target from a long distance makes them safer. Sure you can kill people with them but as a species we figured out how to kill people with just about anything long before we ever had guns too.

    They were designed to be a safe reliable weapon that's why we use them. In the hands of a murderer many things could be deadly. So the argument that it was designed for the purpose of being a safe effective weapon is not a valid one. Many things can be used as a weapon against people.

    Guns do not create murderous intent.
     
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    It's pretty easy to be a licensed hunter.
     
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    Good point in my state all you do is pay a fee.
     
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    Yeah, but guns kill them a lot more quickly and effectively, which is why we give them to our soldiers instead of knives or ropes.
     
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    Yet there are about 1,600 homicides a year with a knife, compared to about 300 homicides with rifles of all types each year, and compared to about 253 homicides in a mass shooting with an AR-15 in 56 years.
     
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    Hanging/suffocation suicides account for almost 14,000 deaths each year, which is more than the number of homicides committed with handguns each year.

    Rifles are the weapon of last resort for the military.
     
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    What's that supposed to establish? Not that rope is a more effective tool for homicide than guns, so what's your point?

    In that they'll first use even more elaborate weapons technology like artillery? Sure. So? We give soldiers guns rather than knives because they kill better with guns. If the enemy had guns and we went in with knives, they would kill us.
     
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    Very very few people would be able to -- psychologically.
     
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    By qualified citizens I understood a narrow group of professionals -- I am sorry.
     
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    Guns do not kill more effectively than knives.

    If somebody kills you with a knife you are not less dead than if you were killed with a gun.
    further more people are killed with knives in the US than they are with rifles.

    Rifles are guns so your statement is wrong for multiple reasons
     
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    Sad but very true.
     
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    It's pretty darn effective for suicides, at 14,000 per year. Why isn't it regulated more heavily? Heck, the Dems want to ban AR-15s which have don't have near that death rate?
     
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    I'm just about anyone is qualified.

    Qualifications are set by law not you.
     
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    Handguns are responsible for over 10,000 homicides per year.
     
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    Yet since 1999 over 40,000 people have done so. Guess how many people murdered someone with a rifle in a mass shooting over that time period?
     
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    I support free access to quality medical an psychological help -- this will save people from suicide.
     
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    Just about everyone is able to psychologically. If you can chop up a pork roast you can chop up a person.
     
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    Gun homicides still significantly outnumber knife homicides.
     
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    Why do you believe that regulating rope would reduce levels of suicide?

    AR-15s are much more effective for killing other people with than a rope. That's why we give our soldiers guns, not ropes, when we send them into battle. If the enemy had guns and we just had ropes, they'd kill us.
     
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    It might help; it won't be a cure.
     

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