Is the, "wage gap," a scheme by feminists

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  1. Fugazi

    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    All THEORY

    Theory - a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained.

    you can post as many of theses theories as you like, you may even believe them, they do not however give a provable reason for that missing 5%. Even the research you have cited does not give an answer.

    He explains, however, that Wi and WOWNHIi may be mutually affected by some unobserved variables, that the effects of those variables may more than offset the posited tradeoff between wages and health insurance coverage, and that, if the observed data involve these conditions

    Still ignoring that little word I see, may means a possibility (one you choose to believe) it does not mean an absolute.
     
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    ryobi Well-Known Member

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    That whole post on the scientific method went completely over your head lol. :roll:

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    That whole post on the scientific method went completely over your head lol. :roll:
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    not in the slightest, the whole meaning of the word 'may' obviously went over yours. Here let me help you out

    May - Expressing possibility: - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/may
    possibility - A thing that may happen or be the case - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/possibility

    The point being of course, and one you try to ignore, that the theory you put forward MAY be correct, it also MAY not be correct, just as the gap MAY be due to discrimination or it MAY not. You just choose to believe it is not as that suits your ideology.
     
  4. ryobi

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    The scientists at consad who read those 5 studies on fringe benefits came to the conclusion:

    Research also suggests that differences not incorporated into the model due to data limitations may account for part of the remaining gap
    . Specifically, CONSAD’s model and much of the literature, including the Bureau of Labor Statistics Highlights of Women’s Earnings, focus on wages rather than total compensation. Research indicates that women may value non-wage benefits more than men do, and as a result prefer to take a greater portion of their compensation in the form of health insurance and other fringe benefits

    Choosing greater benefits and less wages is another choice and

    CHOICE IS NOT DISCRIMINATION

    and I'm not going to explain the scientific method to you again. Some people have the intellectual horsepower to get the concept and others don't.
     
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    Fugazi New Member Past Donor

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    and I am not going to explain the English language to you again either. You really should read what you cite and not jump to conclusions on what it says just to fit your ideology, it's called confirmation bias by the way. .nothing in what you have cited changes one iota of the fact that they are assumptions WITHOUT conclusive evidence.

    Suggest - Put forward for consideration: - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/suggest
    May - Expressing possibility: - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/may
    Indicates - Be a sign of; strongly suggest - http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/indicate?q=indicates


    If I suggest you have your head up your arse, does that mean you do?
    If I say you may be a woman hater, does that mean you are?
    If I say your comments indicate a disdain for women, would that mean you do?

    Some people have the intellectual horsepower to understand English and others don't.
     
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    US reports http://www.consad.com/content/report...l Report.pdf

    The 2009 CONSAD study for The United States Depertment of labor found that all but 5% of the 22% wage gape is explained by choice and there's no evidence to suggest the remaining 5% is the result of discrimination. In fact CONSAD said most likely the remaining 5% is the result of more choice that just can't be quantified because of the limitatations of their model, namely multivariate regression analysis.

    In multivariate regression analysis your results are said to be biased if you have a high R value between your dependant variables. Your R value is your coefficient of correlation. Scientists also will say there is colinearity when there is a high coefficient of correlation (R value). Basically, you can't quantify your dependant variable when there is colinearity bcs you can't tell if the dependant variable is being influenced by the other dependant variables in the model or if the dependant variable is being influenced by the independant variable.

    Nonetheless, the scientists at CONSAD came to the conclusion that the remaining 5% probably exists because women tend to take more compensation in the form of non-wage benefits such as more time off, medical benefits ec cetera

    However, because of the limitatations of multivariate regression analysis it can't be quantified because there's a high R value between dependant variables such as say benefits and work experience

    In other words, since there is a strong correlation between dependant variables like work experience and benefits, putting benefits in the model gives you a biased result so benefits can't be quantified statistically, yet the researchers said the remaining 5% is probably the result of more choice, namely taking more compensation in the form of benefits rather than wages. They just can't quantify it statistically.

    ....and, um, CHOICE IS NOT DISCRIMINATION

    Here are some good tutorials on multivariate regression analysis:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQNpSa-bq4M
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2I_AYIECCOQ
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=px72eCYPuvc
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwsYKNWSw2o
     
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    I'm hoping you're joking and you're not ignorant, but reading through this thread i really do wonder.

    Also, people who do and perform the same job should not get paid the same, no matter if they are male or female.
    Employees who bring more value to the company are worth more, since business are in the making profit business. So two people doing the same job, if one outperforms the other he is a more valuable asset to the company, hence he/she should be paid more, because if not he/she could very well be hired by a competitor.

    For instance soccer players, playing for the same team, in the same position, with the same role get different sallaries, now that i've told you why would you care to take a guess why that is?

    So now you ask "does that mean what you're saying is that women who do the same job as men and get paid less is because they're not as valuable as their male collegues?"
    And the anwser is yes, they're not, if they were the company would be paying them more. So in the business and corporate world, men have more value then women, and desever to be paid more.
     
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    So do you still believe there is a 22% wage gap, that women make 77 cents for a man's dollar and this is all the result of discrimination even after seeing the evidence???


    When the findings of scientific studies don't support my beliefs I don't reject the findings, I change my beliefs. What do you do???
     
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    There was always a wage gap. Entry level salaries are typically lower. The thing that America offers (for immigrants) is not only access to food but government programs to help them. Most I have known were hard-working and eventually successful. Immigration is a broken system and needs to be fixed so that waiting times and red tape are significantly reduced. I would start by looking into immigration lawyers.
     

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