Is there proof to show higher survival rate in hospitalized vaxxed covid victims VS non-vaxxed?

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  1. Darthcervantes

    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes or No?
    Please show statistics
    This should squelch many arguments on here
    forget about masks, distancing, government control. I just want to know is there a lower death rate. If there is then we should really stop this argument already
     
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    I don't think it's quite so simple. There's a huge difference between trump-type morbidly obese 70 year old unvaxxed and fit healthy young unvaxxed. One demographic should 100% get vaxxed and the other it probably doesn't matter either way. And there's everything in between.
     
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    Darthcervantes Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Thanks for trying to turn a simple question into making fun of trumps weight
    You people need to let him stop living in those amazing brains of yours rent free
     
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    You can go to this page at the CDC:
    Cases and deaths by vaccination status
    https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#rates-by-vaccine-status

    There are a couple of bullets on the left of the chart (easily missed) to toggle between cases and deaths.

    Latest death rates (updated monthly):
    Unvaccinated: 4.98
    Vaccinated: 0.38
     
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    It's interesting that THAT is what you got from my post.
     
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    Thanks for posting this link, although the death rate data stop at late October, before Omicron. Here is the data for hospitalizations:

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    Probably also still from before the omicron wave. Who knew the vaccines were THAT effective?

    In any case, omicron probably will shift these statistics slightly in less favor of the vaccinated.
     
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    If only.
     
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    That's assuming those who oppose the vaccines(the vaccines themselves, not the mandates) are going to be swayed by facts and science on this topic in the first place.
     
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    If I'm a fit 30 year old and I see the numbers filtered by my demographic, the evidence for getting the shot is much less compelling.
     
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    I think you're wrong to assume that everyone who rejected the shot is not swayed by science.
     
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    I'm sure there are legitimate exceptions from time to time, but the vast majority of folks not getting the shot are not refusing it based on objective reasons. Just my opinion based on what I see and hear from folks in my little pocket of conservative rural America.
     
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    Look, if you are younger and healthy then a logical case CAN be made to not get the shot. Full stop. Stop believing everything you hear in the echo chamber.
     
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    Still no reason not to get it unless you have known health issues that might be complicated by it. Granted, it's probably not as necessary for someone young and healthy as it is for someone older or with risk factors, but nobody knows how this virus is going to affect each person nor does everyone with a co-morbidity have full-on knowledge of every risk factor they may have. Being overweight is an obvious risk factor but for the less obvious things you have to be up on your medical check-ups to know, and if you're younger and consider yourself healthier, or can't afford it, there' a good chance you're not keeping up on your regularly medical appointments. There are going to be a sizable portion of folks out there walking around with risk factors they probably don't even know about.
     
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    That's a fair question, but the truth of the matter is that from the beginning the data regarding cause of illness and cause of death has been blatantly manipulated so that an atmosphere of fear could be achieved. It worked.

    Garbage in = garbage out. The official data is extremely unreliable and inaccurate.
     
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    No. The data is available for different demographics. Look yours up, is the risk of death close to zero or approaching the risk of the vax itself? In that case get the shot - or not! Doesn't really matter. For those who elect to not get it they are likely factoring extra risk for a treatment that has no long term data. Sure, sure we have the centerfields and fauccis that assure us that there is no long term risk of complication but not all of us are trained in medicine and biology - and there is indeed history to show that the experts are indeed wrong about treatment risks from time to time. There are some people that will take into account that their risk of death is vanishingly small and the probability of the experts being wrong about vax risk is non-zero. This is a valid argument to not get the shot.
    FWIW, me and my wife DID get it (the shot) but we will absolutely NOT be giving it to our pre-teen kids.
     
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    Add me to the list. I got the same thing from it.
     
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    Why? Data shows that you're much more likely to become infected if you're unvaxxed, and also to spread Covid to others if you're unvaxxed and infected.
     
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    I'm not sure that's the case but even if it is the probability of death is low for that demographic.
    I'll try to explain slowly:
    1. Young and healthy people have a much lower cv19 death rate than the average
    2. The closer the death rate to zero for a given demographic the less reason to get the shot
    3. There is a small risk to receiving the shot
    4. Despite appeals to authority, there are still valid question about the long term safety of the vaccine
    5. It is quite possible for a healthy young person to apply their calculus and logically conclude that they don't need the shot
     
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  19. AKS

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    That speaks volumes about your reading comprehension. Try to practice more.

    Hell I'll give you a hint: simply remove the gratuitous swipe at trumps disgustingly rotund physique from the post and then re-read it. Let me know if you're still having trouble understanding plain English.
     
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    I've never had a problem with plain English. I do pretty well with complicated English as well.
     
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    I doubt much difference, but the vaccinated (and smokers) are less likely to go to the hospital in the first place
     
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    What about the people around you? Does that come into your decision making? Parents, grand parents, friends, co-workers those people you ride the train with, cashiers and servers you deal with. Sure you can use the argument that it is up to them to stay vaccinated but that is what efficacy rates mean. There are break through cases. What if you got infected was asymptomatic or have mild effects and then went out and passed it onto someone than was less lucky. If you are young and healthy and have no medical reason not to take the vaccine it would seem like little risk and effort to try to protect those around you.
     
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    If those around you are at risk then they can get vaccinated themselves. I'm tired of this lazy thinking. If masks work then me not wearing one should not affect you if you do. Let people make their own assessments and step back.
     
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    Then you damn well understand the point I was making. Why claim otherwise?
     
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    Hey I am never going to force you to get a vaccine. I just know from my point of view my concern is more for elderly relatives, friends and co-workers. I feel healthy and think I could survive but even vaccinated people can get covid. If my elderly mother-in-law caught covid from me and died it would devastate my wife and our family. I am not afraid of the vaccine and the time it took to get the shots is minor. If it helps protect people in my circle I am happy to do it. If as you say you trust the science then it says the lives around you are not worth the effort it would take to get vaccinated.
     
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