Is there proof to show higher survival rate in hospitalized vaxxed covid victims VS non-vaxxed?

No, YOU are wrong one there. The unvaxed DO threaten everyone and they do that by being far more liable to contract a strain or type of COVID that will require hospitalization and thus use up resources we all require for our very lives. Anyone can become very sick at any time, this is true but we all have an obligation to our fellow humans to take at least reasonable precautions not to become very sick in a way that adversely affects others and is easily avoidable.

We don't **** in the street so as to avoid cholera and other diseases but this is basically what the unvaxed are claiming a "right" to do.

 

How could someone get so many things wrong in such a short post!

 

Years of practice.

 

Well, having anti-bodies in the system from previous times catching will reduce the effect. Thus, the virus is easier to fight off the 2nd and third time. Congrats to you.

I had it in the beginning Feb. 1st, 2020 and that lasted 3 weeks. I had problem breathing, but after trying most over the counter items at Walgreens, I found something that worked so I could sleep without thinking about it. Also, the doctors at that time only prescribed anti-biotics which did nothing.

 

I agree about the tests, but work at my job does require it as I work for a government contractor. Fortunately, they have not enforced the mandate.

 

I'm glad you recovered OK.

 

Applying an imaginary scenario to the rates does not change the rates. It's simply an effort to explain them away, which fails because it relies on conjecture and assumptions.

 

The rates are standardized by age.

 

You are the only one imagining things .. what part of 95% of people dying have 1 or more comorbidities -- Average being 4 - did you think was imaginary ?

 

Thought I just schooled you on this false narrative ? ... perhaps not.

I just finished schooling you a the Biden Fauci False Narrative Trope - now you are parroting another.
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Transmission by unvaxed is not significantly different than the vaxed .. some data showing the vaxed transmitting more - so No .. you are not more liable to contract covid -

Your claim about strain that will hospitalize - also false - Just because more unvaxed have been showing up in hospital - does not mean "ALL" Unvaxed have the same risk factor. In this case (thought was explained previously but perhaps not) - the unvaxed showing up at the hospital are "Immune Compromized/ Pneumonia Succeptible" individuals (Group B) .. not ALL unvaxed in General (Group A)

"Group B" should be getting vaxed.. they could use a big boost of antibodies a whole lot - and no wonder they showing up in the Hospital in huge numbers.

This is not true for Group A individuals .. whose risk of harm from the vax is greater than risk of harm from Delta - never mind Omicron.

and lastely you should be embarassed by bringing up choera - not relevant at all.

So go ahead and force the immune compromised/ to take the Jab... it is of most benefit to these folks - and represent all of the harm you are complaining about... but leave the others out of the euquation .. forced medical treatment on those folks is "demonic"

 

Maybe you identify as having "acquired immunity", acquired from previous infection?

 

Perhaps you should include being unvaccinated as a comorbildity.

 

That would be incorrect... and ignorant of the Science - so why would I do such a thing ?

 

Because a significantly higher relative proportion of those hospitalised are unvaccinated. Do you think only Unvaccinated people have comorbidities? Why don't you try explaining the huge relative difference in hospitalisation rates of unvaccinated and vaccinated?

 

I know you aren't stupid so why post this? reread post 60, it sums it up in pretty clear English. Small words too.

 

You are comitting a generalization fallacy. Generalizing the characteristics of the immune compromized - Unvaxed - over all unvaxed.

So if you wish to demonize someone .. demonize these immune compromized folks who do not want to get vaxed .. leave the other one's alone .. as the vax has a higher risk of harm from the disease to those in "Group A" -- not inflicted with the issues you are trying to demonize them with.

and from a medical perspective .. these Group B folks have the most to gain from being vaxed... really need a anti-body boost and really benefit it from it as the data shows no suprise that these folks are showing up in much greater numbers than the vaxed ones .. but don't blame folks with healthy biome and immune system for the flaws of those that don't ... and force medical treatment on these people .. this is demonic.

 

Here is a report from the Washington State Department of Health, dated January, 2022.

It breaks it all down by 3 age groups: 12-34, 35-64, and 65+
It breaks them down by vaccinated, partially vaccinated, and not vaccinated.
And it breaks it down by cases, hospitalizations, and deaths.

It's easy to read, with summaries and charts.

Short story - Unvaccinated people in all age groups are far more likely to get sick, need hospitalization, or die than vaccinated people.

Here's the link .... https://www.doh.wa.gov/Portals/1/Do...-tables/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf

 

That is a false narrative you are parotting from the Biden-Fauci propaganda clown show - It is only a certain group within the unvaccinated showing up at hospital and dying... and we know who they are .. why don't you and why doesn't the Biden -Fauci Clown show ?

You need to stop demonizing all unvaxed for issues related to immune compromized people who are unvaxed ... forced medical treatement on the basis of a lie .. with a product that has a far higher risk of harm than Delta - never mind Omicron.

This is a demonic trope you are peddling.

 

This is disingenuous, almost to the point of dishonest. The risk of hospitalization for the12-34 group is ~1 in 1785. Of those hospitalized, care to guess how many had other health factors? I don't know what more data people need to see: if you are young and healthy YOU DON'T NEED THE SHOT!!!!

 

Do you have any of your own sources, or is this made up BS as good as it gets?

 

What percentage of the hospitalised unvaccinated are immune compromised? You need to show a figure of around 80% to prove that the vaccine is of no benefit if you want to blame the immune compromised

 

They are just raw statistics, Giftedone, from the State of Washington, not Biden or Fauci. And no, I'm not demonizing anyone.

FWIW, I am pro-vax, but I am anti-mandate. My opinion is that the time has come where mask and vaccination mandates should be dropped, and we should go back to normal. Masking and vaccinating should all be voluntary with some common sense exceptions like in assisted care facilities and medical facilities. Schools, businesses, sports venues, airline travel - all of it back to normal, just like it was in pre-Covid days.

If you believe the vaccines do more harm than good, don't take the jab. Everyone should be free to make their own decision.

But the stats are what they are. You are free to criticize them, but I don't think you can contradict them with credible statistics that show the opposite. If you can, feel free. I would be willing to look.

 

This is false because there is still an unknown variable about long term risk. This must be part of the risk calculus.

 

I already know that most people who end up in the hospital, ICU, or who die have other health issues. Some don't, however, like my wife's first cousin who died from Covid a couple months ago. He was completely healthy when he got it. His only risk factor was his age which was 70. He was otherwise hale and hearty, didn't smoke or drink alcohol, and was not overweight. He died after a two month long fight for life. He was not vaccinated.

If you don't want to vaccinate, don't. My POV is that masking and vaccinating ought to be purely voluntary, and all of the restrictions and mandates ought to be dropped.

At the same time, I also think that being vaccinated reduces the serious symptoms of the disease if/when you get it. So, armed with that knowledge, people should be free to choose without coercion.

Note: I'm 66, and I was fully vaccinated when I got Covid last July. The day after I knew I was sick, I got tested positive for Covid. My symptoms immediately diminished by the day, and 5 days after I tested positive, I was fully recovered. I couldn't even tell I had been sick. During those 6 days, I used a couple doses of Tylenol, and a couple doses of decongestant for colds. That's it. I have had no lingering effects from the disease. I fully believe that being vaccinated helped me beat that disease so quickly. Oh, and I didn't pass it to my wife (age 64) who is also vaccinated.

 

Good post in general -- but the stats are not what is being claimed. and so it is not contradicting the states .. but what is being claimed on the basis of the state.

Don't blame all of the unvaxed for the problems of the "Weak - Unvaxed" --- just go look at death stats .. 95% 1 or more comorbidity to start with .. now we left with 5 in 100 ... 9 out of 10 who will be immune compromized/pneumonia succeptible .. now we left with 5 in 1000 .. and have yet to factor in age or obesity .. so perhaps you might find 1 out of 1000 who are not in "Group B"

Chances of ending up dead from covid - thus far .. pretending all the deaths are from Covid .. rather than with Covid - is roughly 1 in 400.

So that is 1 in 400,000 .. conservatively. The risk of death (never mind harm) is much higher than 1 in 400,000.