Is there room for compromise in gun rights vs gun control?

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  1. vman12

    vman12 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Exactly.

    If 100th of what has already been infringed on the 2A were done to any other right, the howling would be insane.

    May issue permits for right to assemble? Taxes for voting, for getting an abortion?

    Registration of IP addresses to a specific person in case they want to see what you're up to online?

    Invasions of privacy?

    People would lose their damn minds if they were subjected to a portion of what we've had to put up with.

    No more. Never again.
     
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    No additional gun control. In fact, remove existing gun controls.

    The gun control/ban crowd cannot be trusted. They will never be satisfied with anything less than a total ban on firearms, for them every act of gun control is simply an intermediate step towards a ban.

    In your example, when the 4 year registration trial ends and fails, the gun control crowd will say it failed because it was not long enough and did not cover enough people. They will fight not only to keep the "trial" in place but to expand it.
     
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    You hit the nail on the head for registration. If guns are registered it would be so easy for the government to take them away if they decided to become a dictator. Also in the unlikely event that we were to be invaded, it would be easy for the invaders to know who has guns. I don't like the government knowing as much as they do about all of us now so I don't agree with registration. If we buy a gun from a licensed gun dealer the background check is a sort of backdoor registration anyway.
     
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    The anti-gun side is not interested in compromise and, indeed, in incapable of such, in that they have nothing to offer the pro-gun side in exchange for giving up a portion of their rights.

    Give them nothing. Fight them every step.
     
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    This thread started with you getting something and then thigs were added to sweeten the deal. There were still no takers. There can be no compromise.
     
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    Nothing was given in the OP, just registration as a requirement. The only thing close to something being given is that CCW permit holders would have an easier time registering.

    Here's the OP. Please quote EXACTLY what gun freedom advocates got out of this.

    Regardless, it's too late to compromise. Gun freedom advocates have given up too much since 1934.
     
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    Follow the thread. Additional items were added. No compromise can be found
     
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    You claimed "This thread started with you getting something." That was incorrect. The thread started with gun registration with nothing being given to gun freedom folks.

    You are right, no compromise can be found--the OP offered none.
     
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    Oh, I don't know if I agree with that! Requiring the gun controllers to finance the costs (which would be exorbitant), giving it a sunset clause after it proved to not work, and requiring that other gun regulations need to be repealed before new ones could be enacted all had merit, I thought.
     
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    Yes you would need to read the thread to see the additional concessions offerred and even with them no compromise can be found
     
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    If it did not work and was discontinued there would still be those who registered and exposed as gun owners for possible removal in the future.
     
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    None of them increase gun freedom in the manner that registration reduces it. It's not a compromise, it would be a capitulation by gun freedom advocates. That said, I don't understand why the gun control folks are so adamant. They have been losing gun control arguments for almost 20 years--because violent crime is much lower than it was 20 years ago.
     
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    So, you agree the initial post didn't involve concessions by the gun control folks.
     
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    For the third time yes you must read the thread to see the concessions. They are right there.
     
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    Personally I think any law that isn't prosecuted for at least 75% of the time should be removed.

    If they aren't going to use it, they don't need it.
     
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    And you claimed that it was at the start of the thread. It took half a page for concessions to begin. Too little, too late.

    That said I've been agreeing with you. No compromise is possible between freedom lovers and authoritarian neo-fascists who want to restrict guns. .
     
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    Our violent crime rate is WAY too high as evidenced by the fact that we incarcerate more people than any country on the planet and it is still way higher than other first world countries.
     
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    I agree no compromise is possible between people who love guns more than they love the lives of our children. You went down this road first.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    This NRA propaganda BS really needs to be dumped because it's false.

    Licensing of individuals to carry firearms in public is not gun control. It's people control.
    Firearm registration is not gun control because it doesn't prohibit "lawful" persons from owning firearms.
    Firearms cannot be "banned" in the United States because it could only be mandated by an ex post facto criminal law that's prohibited by Article I Section 10 of the US Constitution.
    Opposition to handgun ownership in the United States is at it's lowest point ever since the 1950's.
    Only 10% of Americans want less strict laws on the sale of firearms while over half believe the laws should be more strict.

    Please stop repeating the NRA BS that people are trying to take your guns away. It isn't happening.
     
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    Both of these things are gun control as they seek to control access to guns by the law abiding, and then, though some inexplicable extension, access to guns by criminals.
     
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    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    More BS. We incarcerate more people per capita because of social engineering by government such as sending people to prison victimless crimes like the use of "prohibited drugs" that accounts for about 1/2 of all people in prison today.
     
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    Maybe instead of more laws we should require law enforcement to enforce the laws we currently have. If we are running out of prison space we could always bring back the death penalty to free up some space.
     
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    You think half of all people in prison are there solely for the use of prohibited drugs? This evidence I have to see.
     
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    I have a CCW and that didn't prevent me from ever purchasing a firearm. In fact it made it easier because the background check was waived.
    Firearm registration never prevents a person from owning a firearm.

    Whether it prevents criminals from obtaining firearms is irrelevant because they don't impose any restrictions on a lawful person owning a firearm.
     
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    I love guns because I love the lives of my children. I want them to have the legal right to the most effective means of self defense.

    I don't understand how you can keep arguing when we are in agreement--no compromise is possible.
     

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