Is this a good place to begin dismantling America's failing health care system?

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  1. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    In 2014, a Commonwealth Fund study, published in the New England Journal of Medicine, reported that 20 million Americans had gained health insurance or enrolled in new insurance under the ACA.

    The Congressional Budget Office has reported that the latest GOP version of Trump®Care would strike 32 million Americans from the ranks of the insured.

    Pretending that tens of millions of Americans will never need health insurance only results in those who do, at some point, require costly care having the inflated bill paid for by the taxpayer.

    That does not happen in advanced nations. Paying twice as much for healthcare while footing the medical bills for tens of millions uninsured is a very bad deal for Americans.
     
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    I'm talking about the math Natty Bumpo is trying to tell you about, that you seem incapable of absorbing. He explains it more eloquently than I, but it's the same explanation; Given the empirical data, the multiple examples of inclusive, far less expensive quality health care afford a paradigm only the vested special interests that feed off the exorbitant farce and dogmatic ideologues rage against enlightened pragmatism.

    The key words here are "enlightened pragmatism". Without it, HC is not possible for all. The math simply does not work otherwise. That's what I'm talking about, and that's what Mr. Natty Bumpo is talking about.
     
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    Surfer Joe Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Please stop pulling alternative facts out of your ass.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    37th? Is that one of those commie surveys that says Cuba is #2 in the world even though their hospitals don't have band aids and aspirin?
     
  5. Natty Bumpo

    Natty Bumpo Well-Known Member

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    Americans are, understandably, confused as to why, if the Affordable Care Act is remotely as horrific as the GOP has been spewing for seven years, despite now controlling the Executive, Senate, and House, they are impotent in producing anything even marginally better.

    Here is a revelatory insight into the dysfunctional ranks that appears incapable of farting and farting at the same time.

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    Quick Draw Farenthold has drawn a bead on Susan Collins of Maine, Shelley Moore Capito of West Virginia, and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska!

    Comedic interlude:
    Farenthold:"I once shot an elephant in my pajamas!"
    Gohmert: "What was an elephant doing in your pajamas?"

    Shooty Boy should be made aware of two facts:

    1) From deep in the hate of puny Texas, considerably larger Alaska may appear to be "the Northeast", but his wonky aim could well impede his lust for mayhem, and

    2) If Slinger Farenthold really has a hankerin' to shoot somebody in the middle of Pennsylvania Avenue ...​
    If Lee, Paul, Moran, or Heller should strap it on, I'd advise the wannabe Aaron Burr not to pick Louie Gohmert to hide in the alley with a shotgun.

     
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  6. rahl

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    No it's the one that shows our system is 37th. The one that shows we pay twice as much for less care.


    That one.
     
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    According to my metrics, we were ranked best in the universe.
     
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  9. Natty Bumpo

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    Amidst the growing public support for keeping the ACA in force and making the long-needed modifications to it - concurrent with the overwhelming disapproval of the GOP Congress's various versions of Trump®Care - wish fulfillment is a valid index of success.

    Will Trump apologize for his lie in declaring that his "immediate!" plan would be "something terrific!" that covers "everybody!"? The CBA estimates that the current proposal that he demands be passed deprives 24 million Americans of coverage.

    He had pledged he would make no cuts to Medicaid as president. Proposed Trump®Care savages it. Is he prepared to tweet a profound Mea Culpa to Americans for his so blatantly deceiving them?

    In the wake of his litany of lies - releasing his tax returns, making coal mining the thriving employment sector of the future, resurrecting large scale manufacturing, reviving steel production, building Trump®Wall and making Mexico pay for it, declaring China a currency manipulator, enacting his trillion-dollar infrastructure bill with jobs aplenty, etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., etc., - he'll be doing public penance and flagellating himself from now until his imaginary investigators ("They can't believe what they're finding!") finally return from Hawaii.

    It'll be edifying to watch the Trump cult hold their pudenda-grabbing messiah to the same standards of moral rectitude as they insist upon from presidents of bygone days.

    It's more probable that they will behave as morally-depraved and intellectually-moribund as their messiah boasted - not having their blind faith shaken even if he he shot someone in the middle of Fifth Avenue.
     
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    The dirty little secret of your idea is that some of it is already happening in incrimental stages.

    The fastest growth area for private for profit health insurers is in managing state Medicare and Medicaid programs. Thus, they are working for the government, running single payer systems.....and making nice bank doing it.

    Similarly, large low wage employers like Wal Mart, Amazon and Home Depot are all too delighted to see their lowest paid employees pushed to Medicaid or to heavily subsidized Obamacare policies.

    The burden of health insurance for these employers is thus shifted to the taxpayers.
     
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    The taxpayer is the target in the the GOP's reallocation of wealth scheme.

    Of the 325 million Americans, 180 million are covered under federally-subsidized employer-sponsored plans, 80 million are covered by Medicaid, and 55 million by Medicare.

    Ideologues who rail that the US is a hotbed of "socialized medicine" have a point. What they don't have is a single example of a viable unbridled, capitalistic, free market system.

    All advanced nations have achieved universal coverage at substantially lowered cost via the same proven paradigm that differs significantly from their airy-fairy dogmatic confection.
     
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    and of course reality always wins in the end, where facts and data show your metrics to be bullshit.
     
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    Obamacare was ill conceived, poorly executed, government takeover of now over 17% of the economy. It punishes the middle class to give away freebies to Mexicans, Guatemalans and Hondurans who are allowed to impact our Congressional Districts and Presidential Elections. Parasitic Democrats get premium-free, deductible-free, co-pay free healthcare while those who pick up the tab barely afford the usurious premiums, but can't use their 'insurance' because they don't have the money to swallow the MONSTER deductibles.

    Amid demagoguery by Democrat communications organizations, ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSLSD, and polls designed to sway public opinion rather than measure it ,,,, there is a consensus of Americans who support keeping ACA. They include all the people who get their healthcare for free plus a few of Gruber's stupid Democrat voters who think Obamacare is saving them from certain death.
     
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  14. Natty Bumpo

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    The huge advance in the health of Americans was achieved via Medicare and Medicaid (1965). Still the cost of medical care has skyrocketed for decades.

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    ... and, with the growing number of uninsured whose inflated healthcare cost was routinely dumped on the taxpayer, significant reform was necessary.

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    Can the US achieve the superior numbers in longevity and infant mortality of advanced nations that insure everyone at much lower cost?

    If it follows the proven paradigm, it is capable of doing even better.
     
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    Those who are so pissy about nationalized RomneyCare, a system that was neglected in regard to the adjustments and modifications that have been needed since its inception, have failed to offer an acceptable alternative. Trump's "something terrific!" that covers "eveybody!" would be widely embraced were it not a lie and/or a fantasy.

    Americans overwhelmingly concur that what the GOP has contrived stinks.
     
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    This is MOSTLY to rid us of the last vestiges of the BLACK PRESIDENTS legacy. Trump said as much AT the boy scouts, with swearing. THEY MUST do so as they promised they would hate Obama this much, to harm the economy, the elderly and the ill.
     
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    Randomly mentioning a ranking without including defining metrics makes my metrics just as reliable.
     
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    no it doesnt
     
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    all distorted statistics are equal in their worth.
     
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    Once you claimed that Obamacare was a government takeover of our health care industry, I stopped reading.

    That's so obviously stupid and false that the rest of your post hardly matters.
     
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    Yes, government is responsible for all progress.

    Too funny.
     
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    A victim of Common Core I see. Common Core took us from 14th(2010) in reading in the world to 24th (2015). Could be worse now. The tip off that Common Core is the cause is the inability of the victim to make it through a whole sentence.
     
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    What's the spread that justifies the "overwhelmingly" characterization? You mean those who watch DNC Communications: ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, and MSLSD? How many actually read the bill? How many were Democrat Common Core victims who have no reading skills at all?
     
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    true. I'm not talking about distorted statistics though. Which is why your comment was so silly.
     
  25. Natty Bumpo

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    This Trump®U dude's petty dissing of Beauregard in his snippy tweets could well make the narcissist even more loathsome to other cabinet members as well as Beauregard's GOP Senate cronies.

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    "... and that's when I figured out that Obama
    broke into my fridge and stole my strawberries!

    Your notion that government is responsible for all progress is not correct, but our government of, by, and for the People has and still can achieve admirable things.
     

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