Is this analysis of the probable long term effects of climate change logical?

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  1. DennisTate

    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I believe that the following statements are logical and accurate!

    I think that we desperately need to make some serious changes.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=394887&page=3&p=1065233621#post1065233621

    Thread: Ignorance shown in my 2008 campaign, my apology to Ms. Elizabeth May!


    One of the most important questions that we are facing is how to FINANCE those alterations in our economy?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...eform-our-unsustainable-financial-system.html
    How can we now reform our unsustainable financial system?

    Is John Hotson Ph. D. correct in the following assertion?

    http://www.mailstar.net/money.html
     
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    What is it that is wrong with the climate? I'm sorry, but there has never been anything ever filed that shows a problem with climate. All I have ever seen are predictions of doom and gloom. Please, share with the class those findings of dangerous climate.

    What exactly is it we need to finance?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    My belief is that the huge amount of H2O being ADDED to the central region of Antarctica will not continue forever and then rising ocean levels will become a threat to every major economy.

    Building dikes and sea walls will bankrupt already fragile national economies.

    We need to look at the whole situation from another angle.

    http://www.politicalforum.com/polit...t-work-fast-enough-address-wais-collapse.html
    A carbon tax will NOT work fast enough to address WAIS collapse.
    A tax on carbon will take centuries to address the real issues associated with the impending collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet!


    http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2015...antarctic-ice-sheet-raise-sea-levels-3-meters
    We need to be researching and discussing options that can work much faster!

    Every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated and added to the water table of North Africa or Qatar of Jordan or Israel...... will NOT be putting pressure on the oceans to overflow New Orleans, Bangladesh, The Netherlands and parts of Florida!

    Japanese engineers don't merely design good cars!

    http://www.ssb-foundation.com
    Sahara Solar Breeder Foundation
     
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    so what is it that has been tested says CO2 added to the atmosphere is bad? Please, post up the tests that shows how dangerous CO2 added is.
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    CO2 is plant food but as the Arctic ice and permafrost melts we are looking at the release of large amounts of methane
    which is what AboveAlpha reasons is what we should really be concerned about.

    I agree with New Mexico biologist and coach Carl Cantrell that we need to look at this question in another
    way than Mr. Al Gore did in "An Inconvenient Truth."


    http://www.crcantrell.bibleword.org/globwarm.html
     
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    A pound of models with a pound of predictions. Add another pound of unseasoned BS and a pound of politics, stir thoroughly and bake in a hot oven.You now have an AGW pie.
     
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    so you still haven't provided the testing that supports this supposed concern. Why not? if this is so detrimental to the planet, why haven't these genius' done testing?
     
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    DennisTate Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Every cubic meter of ocean water that is desalinated and added to the water table of
    Israel, Jordan or another Middle Eastern or North African nation..... decrease pressure on
    the oceans to overflow New Orleans, Florida, Bangladesh, The Netherlands and other
    vulnerable areas of the world.

    Solar desalination of ocean water is being tested and proven workable in Jordan and
    Qatar by a Norwegian group:

    http://saharaforestproject.com
     
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    this response doesn't seem to answer what the concern with the methane is. I suppose since you can't tell us, there isn't any.
     
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    What ?? Water is desalinated everyday by evaporation with no adverse affects when it falls back to earth as rain or snow.
     
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    Yes. And if we could all learn to wizz less, we could probably save these cities.

    Feds appear to be removing website posts claiming glaciers will be melted from Glacier National Park by 2030

    The USGS has some explaining to do.

    http://www.americanthinker.com/blog...elted_from_glacier_national_park_by_2030.html
     
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    Yes.... and I have to admit that to some degree.....
    less than pure motives have existed in the people who tend to
    come up with possible solutions to Atmospheric Global Warming.

    Here an important point that I made in my 2008 political campaign......

    http://bankingsystemsflaws.blogspot.ca

    .....I am in agreement with environmentalist and economist Bjorn Lomborg that a carbon shift policy will probably be ineffective over the short term in combating global temperature increases or in preventing a destructive rise in world ocean levels.

     
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    Why don't you study the last Inter-Glacial Period and get back to us.

    I'll give you an hint:

    The last interglacial period, the Eemian, is considered the warmest period of the past 150 thousand years (Jansen et al., 2007). Evidence from fossil coral reefs suggest a sea-level high-stand of 4 to 8 m (Overpeck et al., 2006; Kopp et al. , 2009), mostly due to melting polar ice sheets while thermal expansion of ocean waters played a secondary role (McKay et al., 2011). Temperatures on and around Greenland were 0–5◦C higher than today (Axford et al., 2011; CAPE members, 2006; Otto-Bliesner et al., 2006).
     
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    Uh.....so what?
     
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    We will not make the changes needed in time, and have likely already missed the window regardless. The changes in atmospheric composition and temperatures in Ocean as well as atmosphere will not even be felt for a good 50 years. At this point we should be in preparation mode and hope for the best....makes me sorta glad I will be dead when it gets bad.
     
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    "So what", the same thing Clinton defenders said when he was caught lying under oath. The same thing I said when I was five years old but haven't said once as an adult.
     
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    So you don't understand the science behind Glacial cycles?

    The Earth is heavily glaciated, like this:

    Glaciers.gif

    It's called a Glacial Period. That's how Earth is 90% of the time. The other 10% of the time Earth is in an Inter-Glacial Period or transitional period.

    Then the Glacial Period ends with the post-Glacial Period which is a transition into the Inter-Glacial Period, which is where you are now. Then eventually, there is another transition period, called the pre-Glacial Period when Earth transitions back into a Glacial Period

    During the last Inter-Glacial Period, the Greenland Ice Sheet nearly melted completely, and same story for the Inter-Glacial Period before that, and the one before that, and the one before that.

    Nothing abnormal is taking place.

    The Earth warms up during an Inter-Glacial Period, that's what it is supposed to do, otherwise it wouldn't be an Inter-Glacial Period.
     
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    Uh.... I say it all the time. So what? LOL

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    And what is your explanation for the fact that every science organization on the planet disagrees with you? Somehow you found something they missed? LOL
     
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    you can make this statement how? you have no idea what will happen. Or are you trying to say someone is playing Gawd like?

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    Money, that's what.
     
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    Vegas giants Banned

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    Money is what fuels deniers. Fossil fuel money
     
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    I base my opinion on chemical reactions observed in scientific experiment, ongoing and verifiable conditions currently occurring, extrapolation based on these, and data gathered by scientists who specialize in the field. Hopefully I am completely wrong in my assumptions and everything will be fine...either way I will not be around to know..and neither will you.
     
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    and government grant money is what drives universities. You should read.

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    what chemical reaction experiment?
     
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    I suppose you trust nothing that comes from university research? LOL
     
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    tecoyah Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    One of thousands.
    "An important consideration in estimating future greenhouse warming risks is how long CO2 remains in the atmosphere. Here I present the results of a simple mass balance model that provides a near-perfect fit between CO2 emissions and observed atmospheric CO2 using a CO2 residence time of 33 years. This, however, is significantly longer than 36 peer reviewed estimates that cluster between 5 and 15 years and much shorter than IPCC’s estimates of 100 years or longer, hence the question mark in the title."
    http://euanmearns.com/the-residence-time-of-co2-in-the-atmosphere-is-33-years/

    Regardless...just a snippet of available data to consider...which I have and you have not.
     
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    Their data is skewed and their agenda is heavily politicized.

    You can clearly see past Glacial and Inter-Glacial Periods here from the NRDC:

    [​IMG]

    The temperature during this Inter-Glacial Period must increase 10.4°F to match the high temperature of the previous Inter-Glacial Period.
     

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