Is this analysis of the probable long term effects of climate change logical?

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    If the earth is changing as to a new face so to speak (global warming and melting of ice). As a believer in Christ and our Father in heaven, I fear not. For this problem would not flood the earth, for He made a promise that would never happen again.

    Global warming I believe is the fourth angel pouring out his bowl on the sun, given the sun power to scorch men. I also believe this is done in birth-pains. Starting minor and ending far beyond major. Nothing is going to happen that God does not have control over. Thus global warming is a deception very well played out, as to more taxes from the people, and more power to "spiritual wickedness in high places".
     
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    But.....
    hasn't G-d delegated considerable power and responsibility to us humans?

    Take a look at the two verses from the Jewish Bible that I quote here:


    http://www.politicalforum.com/economics-trade/428423-moses-moshe-brilliant-economist.html


    Was Moses - Moshe a brilliant economist?



    Is the following statement one of the most accurate ideas regarding what we human beings are actually capable of IF..............we can actually agree on the need for a particular project?


    "And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
    And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." (Genesis 11)
    ....

    IF...… it is indeed true that human productive capability and ingenuity is pretty much beyond what any economist has been telling us........(assuming that we are basically united in agreement that a certain thing must be done)........... then...… could a better money supply system play a significant role in ushering in a much better world?


    Ecclesiastes 10:19


    "A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things. "

    Could it be possible for money to answer.......ALL modern world problems???????????!
     
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    KJB-
    1 Timothy 6:9-10
    9 But they that will be rich fall into temptation and a snare, and into many foolish and hurtful lusts, which drown men in destruction and perdition.

    10 For the love of money is the root of all evil: which while some coveted after, they have erred from the faith, and pierced themselves through with many sorrows.

    So it's not necessarily money that's evil, but the love of money (greed) that is the problem. I don't think it's meaning money answering all things as in solving all world problems. Money does not bring one faith, it usually takes it away. One of the biggest problems is the number of people who think God and Jesus do not exist. This is something money cannot solve.
     
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    True.... money itself isn't the real problem......
    it is our greed and love of money that gets us into trouble.

    But.... when our greed produces deserts.... .as occurred in parts of North Africa that were once the
    "Breadbasket of the Roman Empire" then
    radical measures can be taken to fix up the mess caused by our greed.


    The nation of ISRAEL has experienced COOLING in its climate since the 1950's. On a per capita basis they led the world in planting trees and in large scale desalination of ocean water for agriculture, reforestation projects as well as for towns. Israel has given us proof that a carbon tax is not a great idea.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/paralle...ears-of-desalination-experience-to-california

    Israel Bringing Its Years Of Desalination Experience To California
     
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    One proposal that I love is the idea of taking one or more of the areas in Australia that
    are below sea level.............. build a canal to take ocean water there.... and turn the area into
    a tourist marina.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Eyre
    Every cubic meter of ocean water that is taken out of the oceans.....
    is good news for coastal communities vulnerable to the cracking and sliding of
    the land based ice on Greenland....... or the West Antarctic Ice Sheet that is especially
    vulnerable to collapse because it is below sea level.
     
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    True.... but turning deserts green is a win - win - win - win alternative theory on stabilization of the climate
    that cannot harm the oil industry.......
    and could even play a huge role in bringing actual peace.....
    and a booming economy to the Middle East.


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...or-israel-jordan-and-the-palestinians.451496/

    Sigmund Ivarsson's Petra Project for Israel, Jordan and The Palestinians.
     
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    A positive shift is coming.........
    The Great Tsunami by Rick Joyner | MorningStar Prophetic Bulletins 2011
     
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    Which is one of the reasons why I have been advocating investment in turning deserts green......
    because the nation of Israel began to experience Climate Cooling in the 1950's. They led the
    world in a combination of planting trees and large scale desalination of ocean water for
    agriculture, reforestation projects as well as for towns..........
    so we know that a carbon tax could take over a century to work........

    but large scale investment in turning deserts green has been proven, by Israel,
    to work within a decade!
     
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    I read a comment by Dr. James Hansen that the last time that
    atmospheric temperatures rose by three degrees...... ocean levels
    rose by about twenty meters in about four centuries.

    If we were to experience a one meter rise in ocean levels, every twenty years,
    for several centuries...........
    attempting to build sea walls, dikes and levies would bankrupt most nations........

    ... the alternative theory of deliberately investing in large scale desalination of ocean water for
    agriculture......
    and figuring out a way to turn poor people into a better market for food......
    is an alternative worthy of discussion........

    The results of this poll are encouraging.........


    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rleans-and-florida-from-rising-oceans.300460/

    The Sahara Forest Project...and saving New Orleans and Florida from rising oceans!

    ...

    Is turning deserts green a good response to climate change?

    1. No, only a carbon tax of some form will stop climate change!
      2 vote(s)
      7.1%
    2. *
      Yes, plants are both a carbon as well as a water sink!
      11 vote(s)
      39.3%

    3. No, we should never engage in geo-engineering of any form or shape, EVER!!!
      6 vote(s)
      21.4%
    4. *
      Yes, with one billion hungry, how can we go wrong by producing more food?
      14 vote(s)
      50.0%
     
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    Excellent post.......
    but being as we now have technology that can affect the climate......
    both in negative as well as in some positive ways.... .we do have to
    discuss how best to respond to where we are at in this cycle.
     
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    So what do you think of the documentary series Infestation?

    Do you think that that also is "unseasoned BS?"




    Infestation - Full Documentary - Season 1 Episode 1
     
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    That will look different to a political leader who
    represents people who live in the town of Pugwash, Nova Scotia, Canada
    that just happens to have the world's highest tides.


    Jamie Baillie, Nova Scotia, Israel and Jordan.
     
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    Decreasing deforestation......... large scale desalination of ocean water for agriculture and reforestation.......
    and turning arid areas into pastures for cattle in order to put the carbon into the soil.


    President Trump did great to get America out of the Paris Accord. It would have been ineffective BUT

     
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    You may enjoy this video:

     
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    That's absurd.
     
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    The Paris Accord would have costed hundreds of billions of dollars but there are far most cost effective ways to address stabilization of the climate that are not so vulnerable to being taken over by bureaucrats as a carbon tax would have been.
     
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    I would be interested in hearing your more effective ways as well as how Paris was a Carbon Tax.
     
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    1. P - K4....... I go to Sderot, Israel..... talk the town council to print up a Sderot, Volunteerism Hour note........

    2. The Sderot Volunteerism Hour notes.... are in a sense props.... in a proposed series of films..... mostly reality plus semi- reality science fiction.......

    3. The Sigmund Ivarsson Petra Project is a seventy km long tunnel, nine meters wide.... that goes from out in the Mediterranean Sea near Tel Aviv... to somewhere in the Jordan River Valley...... (over 1200 feet below sea level......).....

    4. The Petra Project includes 21 hydro - electric generation facilities along the 70 km tunnel..........
    that could take somewhere around 200 million cubic meters from the Mediterranean Sea to the Jordan River Valley....

    5. We link the Petra Project with the rebuilding of the Jerusalem Third Temple.... at least by 2070....but I am thinking by 2030....... but an agreement for 2070 would have serious artistic and diplomatic value...........

    6. Graphene screens should be used at the opening of the tunnel to get well over ninety percent of the salt out of that sea water even before it flows down the tunnel.........



    .........

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...rockets-from-landing-on-sderot-israel.522682/

    How can we stop the rockets from landing on Sderot, Israel?
     
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    AboveAlpha gave me something huge to work with here:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...e-nova-scotia-israel-and-jordan.506627/page-3

    Jamie Baillie, Nova Scotia, Israel and Jordan.
    ......(post # 41).....

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...change-is-real.503883/page-15#post-1067789386

    A very simple and easy to understand explanation of why climate change is REAL.


    So if a Sderot Volunteerism Hour note.......
    can be linked to a plan to address this issue that is relevant to Americans........
    Sderot is then in a position to alter the way that we look at money itself.........
     
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    What about this theory?


     
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    That’s absurd.
     
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    OK.... how about this theory as a method of protecting low lying land from the threat of rising ocean levels?

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...illion-dollar-problem.525406/#post-1068713597

     
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