Only born people have a right to life and having a right to life does not give the right to do anything they want to someone else....a right you want ZEFs to have..
This is for any misogynist or science denier who claims pregnancy doesn't harm women OR that the ZEF ONLY uses a placenta and NOTHING ELSE : Normal, frequent or expectable temporary side effects of pregnancy: exhaustion (weariness common from first weeks) altered appetite and senses of taste and smell nausea and vomiting (50% of women, first trimester) heartburn and indigestion constipation weight gain dizziness and light-headedness bloating, swelling, fluid retention hemmorhoids abdominal cramps yeast infections congested, bloody nose acne and mild skin disorders skin discoloration (chloasma, face and abdomen) mild to severe backache and strain increased headaches difficulty sleeping, and discomfort while sleeping increased urination and incontinence bleeding gums pica breast pain and discharge swelling of joints, leg cramps, joint paininfection including from serious and potentially fatal disease (pregnant women are immune suppressed compared with non-pregnant women, and are more susceptible to fungal and certain other diseases) extreme pain on delivery hormonal mood changes, including normal post-partum depression continued post-partum exhaustion and recovery period (exacerbated if a c-section -- major surgery -- is required, sometimes taking up to a full year to fully recover) Normal, expectable, or frequent PERMANENT side effects of pregnancy: stretch marks (worse in younger women) loose skin permanent weight gain or redistribution abdominal and vaginal muscle weakness pelvic floor disorder (occurring in as many as 35% of middle-aged former child-bearers and 50% of elderly former child-bearers, associated with urinary and rectal incontinence, discomfort and reduced quality of life -- aka prolapsed utuerus, the malady sometimes badly fixed by the transvaginal mesh) changes to breasts increased foot size varicose veins scarring from episiotomy or c-section other permanent aesthetic changes to the body (all of these are downplayed by women, because the culture values youth and beauty) increased proclivity for hemmorhoids loss of dental and bone calcium (cavities and osteoporosis) higher lifetime risk of developing Altzheimer's newer research indicates microchimeric cells, other bi-directional exchanges of DNA, chromosomes, and other bodily material between fetus and mother (including with "unrelated" gestational surrogates) Occasional complications and side effects: complications of episiotomy spousal/partner abuse hyperemesis gravidarum temporary and permanent injury to back severe scarring requiring later surgery (especially after additional pregnancies) dropped (prolapsed) uterus (especially after additional pregnancies, and other pelvic floor weaknesses -- 11% of women, including cystocele, rectocele, and enterocele) pre-eclampsia (edema and hypertension, the most common complication of pregnancy, associated with eclampsia, and affecting 7 - 10% of pregnancies) eclampsia (convulsions, coma during pregnancy or labor, high risk of death) gestational diabetes placenta previa anemia (which can be life-threatening) thrombocytopenic purpura severe cramping embolism (blood clots) medical disability requiring full bed rest (frequently ordered during part of many pregnancies varying from days to months for health of either mother or baby) diastasis recti, also torn abdominal muscles mitral valve stenosis (most common cardiac complication) serious infection and disease (e.g. increased risk of tuberculosis) hormonal imbalance ectopic pregnancy (risk of death) broken bones (ribcage, "tail bone") hemorrhage and numerous other complications of delivery refractory gastroesophageal reflux disease aggravation of pre-pregnancy diseases and conditions (e.g. epilepsy is present in .5% of pregnant women, and the pregnancy alters drug metabolism and treatment prospects all the while it increases the number and frequency of seizures) severe post-partum depression and psychosis research now indicates a possible link between ovarian cancer and female fertility treatments, including "egg harvesting" from infertile women and donors research also now indicates correlations between lower breast cancer survival rates and proximity in time to onset of cancer of last pregnancy research also indicates a correlation between having six or more pregnancies and a risk of coronary and cardiovascular disease Less common (but serious) complications: peripartum cardiomyopathy cardiopulmonary arrest magnesium toxicity severe hypoxemia/acidosis massive embolism increased intracranial pressure, brainstem infarction molar pregnancy, gestational trophoblastic disease (like a pregnancy-induced cancer) malignant arrhythmia circulatory collapse placental abruption obstetric fistula More permanent side effects: future infertility permanent disability death.""""""""""""""""""" SURELY if pregnancy can do all that to a woman then the ZEF is clearly attached, AND IF a ZEF was a PERSON then the woman has every right to defend herself from harm from another PERSON. SHE has a right to life TOO.
Diversion noted. Quote me saying the mother does not have the right to defend her LIFE if the pregnancy is posing an imminent threat to it else stop posting as if I have claimed anything as such.
EASY,, one can kill a person who is harming them ....and a pregnant woman has only one way to end the harm...same situation if any person has no other way to stop the harm.... YOU want a ZEF to do what no one else has a right to do, harm another without their consent...SUPER RIGHTS!!!!
You can kill someone ifbthey are threatening you with IMMINENT serious bodily harm. That is NOT the equivilant of elective abortion. So why did you try to change it from life of the mother to merely harm?
FoxHastings said: ↑ EASY,, one can kill a person who is harming them ....and a pregnant woman has only one way to end the harm...same situation if any person has no other way to stop the harm.... YOU want a ZEF to do what no one else has a right to do, harm another without their consent...SUPER RIGHTS!!!!
And under our laws governing lethal use of force in self defense to what degree does that harm have to rise?
UNCHERRY PICKED POST: FoxHastings said: ↑ EASY,, one can kill a person who is harming them ....and a pregnant woman has only one way to end the harm...same situation if any person has no other way to stop the harm.... YOU want a ZEF to do what no one else has a right to do, harm another without their consent...SUPER RIGHTS!!!! We have had this "discussion" before and I will not go around and around again. IF you feel it's fine for pregnant women to be harmed then I don't think anyone can convince you otherwise. If you feel a ZEF is a person who can harm others ( A RIGHT NO ONE ELSE HAS) with no repercussions then I don't think anyone can convince you otherwise.
OH talk about a dodge!!!!! You brought it up, it is your contention. So under our laws to what degree does this harm you claim gives the mother the right to take another human being's life have to rise to for the mother to use lethal force against it?
Speaking of Dodging .. What gives you the right to ban abortion .. in the process kill many of these "innocent Children" you claim to care so much for.. Pregnancy should be illegal .. to prevent the deaths of these innocent children -- If you condone pregnancy .. you are just as culpable for the deaths of these innocent children .. sacrificed so that some selfish person can have a baby .. .. Both ways mate .. no escape for you .. Experts Disagree on the one end .. crushing your silly claim that Science claims a zygote is a person .. and on the other end .. if we grant your silly claim . you end up being a slayer of innocent children. A proper crucifixion of a flawed argument ..
