Is this the end for Venezuela Socialism?

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  1. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes, that turns out badly in the democracies also, which is why Socialism should always be avoided and the free market encouraged.
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    How is any of that 'right wing' rather than 'left wing'? You've absorbed the generational propaganda t the point where everything 'right wing' is evil, even to the point of balancing a budget, pointing out the lack of human rights under Communism, or protesting against infanticide.
     
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    We have to make sure democratically elected politicians deal with extremists who want to collectivize the economy and reactionaries who side with police state tactics to protect private property.
     
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    The new Venezuelan govt are off to a cracking start, long may it continue.

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    When corporations are not held accountable for manipulating the markets how is a fake free market good for anyone?
     
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    Now you're just being insipidly stubborn.

    1. Nowhere is their "confusion" in what I write, as I point out a matter of fact & history....government is made up of, by and for the people. If there is an unjust law, then people (should) organize through their elected leadership or by protest to change that law. It's been done, ya know (look up the Civil Rights Movement and subsequent changes in federal/state law because of it). It just a matter of organization.

    2. WTF are you smoking as legalized slavery's off shoots ended with the kibosh of Jim Crow Laws in 1964 & 1965??!!

    3. Precisely what decades/era are you referring to "early United States Government" as a preferred gov't? And remember, our Constitution is designed to change (Amendments).
     
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    You have been misinformed. As I pointed slavery today is far more prevalent now than in the 19th century. Hit the books.

    NATIONAL GEOGRAPHIC, There are more slaves today than were seized from Africa in four centuries of the trans-Atlantic slave trade. The modern commerce in humans rivals illegal drug trafficking in its global reach—and in the destruction of lives., By Andrew Cockburn,03/2009. http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0309/feature1/index.html
     
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    Let's clarify....I'm talking about legal, government (state and /or federal) sanctioned slavery in AMERICA, which HAS NOT existed since the end of Jim Crow. I've got no problem with condemning and stopping what's going on in the rest of the world...but I can't see how one can blame socialism for this when it's origins as roots are clearly in colonialist, capitalist country's.

    Now, care to respond to queston's 1 & 2
     
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  9. Fred C Dobbs

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    If corporations are manipulating the market then it is not a free market. What you describe is illegal so if you have some evidence you should report it to the FTC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_antitrust_law
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The Jim Crow laws were abolished in 1964 and there certainly was no slavery at that time. In fact slavery was outlawed in 1865 though the Democrats continued with Segregation, the KKK and Jim Crow for 99 years more.
     
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    your hero Trump has been sued for refusing to house minorities in his urban mansions
     
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    Seriously? Who calls the political right wing to be evil, if they don't become the same way extreme and with unacceptable demands and comments ... as those do form the extreme left wing. You make the same error as many do in this pure American Lefties vs. righties bashing on each other. It is not the wing who is a problem, it are the extremists on both sides!

    And where there any human rights under Mussolini, the Pinochet regime in Chile and many other strong anti-communist regimes on this planet who were everything, but not lefty?
     
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    Mmmmmmm! Urban mansions.
     
  14. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    This point has been made many times and I've made in myself. That's why I respond when the term is being misused, as in the post referred to.

    I know Pinochet has a bad rep in Leftist circles, because he prevented Chile from becoming another Cuba, but the man saved the country.
     
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    Around twenty years ago I lived and worked in Chile for about eight months on a job. Met many Chileans in cities and towns, mostly in the southern half of the country from Santiago to Punta Arenas. Whatever else Pinochet may have accomplished, everyone I met who spoke of it decried that era and the tyranny of the dictator.
     
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    I do hope the people of Venezuela are able to break free of Maduro and his forces. A country with so much natural resource wealth should be able to provide especially well for it's people. First Chavez and now Maduro have destroyed that opportunity, but it is not unrecoverable.
     
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    So you are actually one of the Americans who still believe in Cold War Propaganda lies regarding Chile ... give the hint to lefties as usual and completely ignore the facts! and probably you are also one of those Americans who gets stressed pimples on the term "social" ... because he has no idea about the differences between social, social democratic, socialist, communist etc. and says with a certain arrogance of cold dinosaurs , everything is the same! Right?
     
  18. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Is there some sort of point to this post?
     
  19. Fred C Dobbs

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    There is far too much corruption in Latin America, some less and some more, some are making advances and some backsliding. All the backsliding comes from 'Socialist' governments.
     
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    I've lived in Latin America, off and on, for over 25 years and, because I'm in the tourist business down here have met many Chileans also.

    Those who understand what may have happened had Allende gained real power, with the inevitable civil war to follow, are grateful to Pinochet. Those with no international knowledge look at it differently. Pinochet was one of the few dictators to ever retire before his death and he left a financially strong and free Chile as his legacy
     
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    :roll: For your education:
    Jim Crow Laws

    https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/jim-crow-laws

    Southern Strategy

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_strategy


    Still waiting for those other answers:

    http://www.politicalforum.com/index...uela-socialism.551436/page-15#post-1070298529
     
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    Nope....just pointing out how you are wrong on a few points. 1. Jim Crow is NOT ancient history and has lingering effects to date regarding economics and social interaction. 2. If you had bothered to READ the link regarding Nixon's Southern Strategy ( a matter of fact, a matter of history), you would know that the Dem and Repub parties of old essentially switched their social/economic stances regarding black folk in America. Too bad if it doesn't fit into your revisionist aspect of America.
     
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  24. Fred C Dobbs

    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You clearly know nothing of the 'Southern Strategy' making it a waste of time discussing this with you.

    Also. nowhere did I claim that Jim Crow, a Democrat Southern Strategy, was "ancient history. Watch, listen, and learn.



    Start at the 2:00 mark.
     
  25. kungfuliberal

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    So you get some right wing wonk to basically regurgitate your myopic viewpoint.
    BFD, both of you are still ignoring what you don't like. I strongly urge you to READ CAREFULLY AND COMPREHENSIVELY the information contained in this link here, as it explains WHY the GOP evolved into the racist tinged group that it is today.

    But in 1948 Democratic Party convention delegates supported this plank in the party platform: “The Democratic Party commits itself to continuing efforts to eradicate all racial, religious, and economic discrimination.” In vehement opposition, delegate Strom Thurmond, then governor of South Carolina, stalked out of the convention, leading other Deep South delegates in tow (Edsall and Edsall 1991, p. 34). The dissidents formed the States’ Rights Democratic (“Dixiecrat”) Party, with Thurmond as their presidential candidate. The Dixiecrats carried several southern states in 1948, serving early notice to the national Democratic Party that aggressive action on civil rights would result in the party losing much white southern support. In 1954 Thurmond won a U.S. Senate seat from his native South Carolina; in 1964, he switched to the Republican Party....

    https://www.encyclopedia.com/social-sciences/applied-and-social-sciences-magazines/southern-strategy
     

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