Is this the end for Venezuela Socialism?

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  1. Poohbear

    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Following the geneva convention for one. Not doing war crimes. Respecting the sovereignty of nations. Not arming terrorists in foreign lands to overthrow some Gov't we don't like .. that kind of thing.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are Brazil and Columbia client states of the USA? And Europe too?
    Europe too has delivered aid - to the Columbian border.
     
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    So now the USA controls Saudi oil reserves? Is there no limit to its power?
    Maybe you ought to forget the protest - the whole world belongs to the USA
    and you can't fight it.
     
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    Poohbear Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So we should respect the Geneva convention - but we are bad for
    going after Saddam Hussein's chemical weapons which this
    convention banned.
    We shouldn't "arm terrorists" but we are also wrong for fighting
    armed terrorists.
    We shouldn't overthrow govt's we dont' like but we don't like them
    for violating the Geneva convention and arming terrorists.

    I am confused.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    So you are aware that the propaganda effort in relation to Venezuela is going on full force. I was in Curacao 2 weeks ago https://www.google.ca/maps/place/Cu...0xfc7f9228dbc64723!8m2!3d12.16957!4d-68.99002

    There is market called the "Floating Market" - Venezuelan ships come in droves and all park in this one spot and sell their wares. I talked to a number of these folks. In addition I use online sources. MSM radio/TV/ Newspapers and so on is now a propaganda arm of the Establishment and tout what ever narrative of the day the Establishment wants touted.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes you are. Saddam did not have an active Chemical Weapons program and this was not the reason we went there. We happily supported Saddam when he was using Chemical weapons in the Iran/Iraq war and on the Kurd's. One of the Reasons why "Rotten Ronnie" is a fitting moniker

    Your second statement makes no sense. No one claimed we were wrong for fighting armed terrorists. What does this have to do with arming terrorists - in Syria for example - Al Qaeda and others of the same ilk who coalesced into the modern incarnation of ISIS.

    Your last statement is more gibberish. What terrorists was Nicaragua arming ? or Chile, or Syria and so on. What threat were these nations to the US such that we were justified in regime change ?
     
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    No. What he means is: Is Elliot Ness ready to lock up Venezuela's Al Capone, finally, and put him away for good?

    Every socialist government leads to horror and rivers of blood. And yet...? There are those whose souls are so corrupted they are still willing to sacrifice everyone and anyone they can to achieve it--and to hell with reality, morality, individuality...and start bowing to the enshrinement of the "equality of mediocrity" as a moral goal--and this, in Venezuela, they achieved in an awful and horrifying grandiose manner.


    I mean really? From each according to their ability, to each according to their need? What happens when those with ability get wise to the con-job?

    Well? You got your answer in Venezuela. Happy? Not the answer you expected or wanted? Still need more sacrifices? Tell me: what human soul practices human sacrifices and still dares call itself, human?

    The mirror holds the answer.
     
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    Quote - "Saddam did not have an active Chemical Weapons program"
    Quote - "We happily supported Saddam when he was using Chemical
    weapons in the Iran/Iraq war and on the Kurd's"

    One contradiction and one false statement.
     
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    :applause:A gosh-darned good start!
     
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    Big government is the constant enemy of freedom yet, despite the overwhelming amount of contradictory evidence, there are still those who believe it to be a good idea.
     
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    Is it your understanding that the failure rate for Latin American countries is the fault of the US?
     
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    There's likely a philosophical difference between Simon Bolivar and Evo Morales, another socialist dictator bring ruin to the country.
     
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    funny how socialism doesn't "work" in Latin America but it works in Israel which gets multibillions in USA welfare every year
     
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    Mostly speaking - yes.
     
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    :laughing:
     
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    That's because you think of "government" as a phantom entity and you still do not understand the meaning of Democracy, its principles, how it works and how it might be abused or corrupted. To you, it's just "government".
     
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    Unscom confirmed it had eliminated 90-95% of Iraq's WMD's by 1992. The inspection regime fell apart when the Clinton administration turned it into an intelligence gathering apparatus as part of an effort to kill Saddam Hussein. The purpose of the sanctions was not to prevent Iraq from developing WMD's, as was often claimed:
     
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    Keen to go off topic, huh?
     
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    I've spent much of the past 26 years in Latin America and my guess is that you have no idea of the people, laws or culture. All you have is your opinion, which is no better than a wild guess.
     
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    Another wild guess, and just as silly.
     
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    redundant
     
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    I love the certainly of your inflammatory claims, quote "an effort to kill Saddam Hussein."
    Any chance this could be some hard-left, anti-American racist remark?
    Hussein claimed he tipped the chemicals out in the desert "somewhere" but couldn't be
    sure of the location. Even Russia believed he still had them. It is suspected they wound
    up in Syria.
    The purpose of the sanctions might well have been the incessant demand of Western
    lefties for "sanctions, not war." And when the sanctions bit, the same people, foaming
    at the mouth, demanded the sanctions be lifted. There were no such protestors in sight
    when Hussein invaded Kuwait, gassed the Kurds, invading Iran and gassed them too.
     

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