Is this the Trump Doctrine?

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  1. Eleuthera

    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Allies don't attack one's ships and kill its sailors and then attempt to hide it.
     
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    That is true. At least they shouldn't.
     
  3. Grau

    Grau Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I already supported the fact that bankrolling Israel & fighting wars for its near omnipotent lobbies has cost loyal Americans $ Trillions and thousands of American lives.
    Meanwhile, any aid to Israel is illegal under the Symington-Glenn Amendment(1) prohibiting any aid to non signatories of the NPT.

    No, America's "alliance" with Israel is not like other alliances in that Israel is actively attacking Syria, engaged in ethnic cleansing and US Troops in Israel are to be put under Israeli command in the event of the hostilities Israel is working to provoke.
    Elsewhere, US Troops remain under US Command with or without hostilities

    No, the war in Syria was not a civil war, it was a failed regime change to depose Assad via US & Israeli supported ISIS, al Nusra etc. which were defeated by the legitimate Syrian government, Hezbollah & the Russians

    I don't believe that Israel wants to invade Syria but will be content to keep it weak & fractured and seize a "Security buffer" as well as the Golan Heights.

    Netanyahu has made clear how he sees the US - Israeli "alliance":

    Netanyahu: “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

    http://web.archive.org/web/20060512...pecial_Reports/092105Madsen/092105madsen.html

    How can any loyal American knowingly support such a blatantly parasitic regime that is so destructive to US regional interests?



    (1) "Lawsuit Claims Aid to Nuclear Israel Illegal Under Symington Glenn Amendments"

    https://www.corporatecrimereporter....ael-illegal-under-symington-glenn-amendments/



    EXCERPT "A lawsuit filed in federal court in Washington, D.C. claims that United States aid to Israel is illegal under a law passed in the 1970s that prohibits aid to nuclear powers that don’t sign the Nuclear Non Proliferation Treaty (NPT).

    Such aid violates longstanding bans on foreign aid to non-signatories to the Nuclear Non-proliferation Treaty (NPT) with nuclear weapons programs, the lawsuit alleges."CONTINUED
     
  4. Ethereal

    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Of course you do.

    You send them our money; you sacrifice our reputation on the world stage on their behalf; you support military interventions that serve their interests and not ours; and that's just for starters.

    And what about our other, more important allies like Canada, the UK, France, and Germany? You put Israel above them as well. Half our country and most of the civilized world was in favor of the Iran deal made by Obama, but people like you supported trashing it for no other reason than Israel.
     
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    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Yup.

    Israel's influence over our political system costs the country trillions of dollars, complicates our relationship with far more important allies, and even restricts our civil liberties. Oh, and Israel attacked one of our naval vessels, killing dozens of US personnel and injuring many more. And all the available evidence proves that Israel did this deliberately in an attempt to frame Egypt.
     
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    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    No you don't.

    Anyone who supports sending US resources to defend or support Israel's interests is not putting America first.
     
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    Mac-7 Well-Known Member

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    You are misinformed

    Jews are indiginous to what you call palestine and we call Israel

    Prior to statehood Jews paid hard cash for every acre of land they resettled

    Some Jews did engage in acts of terrorism mostly against the British such as the bombing of the King David Hotel

    So Jews are not above reproach

    But if the arabs had accepted the 1947 UN partition the palestinians would have a country today
     
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    Ethereal Well-Known Member

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    Here's the other side of the coin.

    Israel's US lobby has been aggressively manipulating our political system in an attempt to get the US to fight Israel's adversaries, which has cost our country trillions of dollars, and which would cost it trillions more if Israel got its way.

    Add to that the fact that US wars in the Middle East have caused massive chaos while unleashing a torrent of anti-American and anti-western terrorism, and you have a decidedly negative return on our gigantic investment in that troublesome little country.

    You realize that we can trade and exchange with Israel without committing to the defense of their interests, right?

    So you admit that the US is in Syria primarily because its fighting Israel's war for it?

    Anyway, you are citing one minor benefit of being in Syria while ignoring the massive costs and risks of US occupation there.

    The destabilization of Syria by the US has created a massive refugee crises, killed hundreds of thousands of people, most of them innocent, cost taxpayers billions and billions of dollars, and has allowed groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS to exploit the power-vacuum in that country. It has also put massive strain on our relationship with Russia, who is a nuclear power that has nuclear missiles pointed at our cities on hair-trigger alert. One mistake, misunderstanding, or error could result in the end of the world as we know it, yet you believe some combat action for an F35 is worth that risk?
     
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    The creation of Israel was done by displacing Arabs. Naturally, they were upset and resentful about it. If some international body showed up in your neighborhood and told you that millions of people from Europe and elsewhere would be moving in, you'd be pretty angry about it, too.

    And, no, Israel has not been fighting to preserve its existence, it's been fighting to EXPAND its territory at the expense of the people who already lived there.

    At any rate, NONE OF THIS MATTERS. The fight between Israelis and Palestinians is really none of America's business. America has more than enough of its OWN PROBLEMS to deal with without having to take sides in an ancient blood feud between Jews and Muslims on the other side of the planet.
     
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    Those countries are not facing extinction by arab armies

    Isreal is, plus the crazy persians
     
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    That is untrue

    There was to be a State of Israel and whatever the palestinians chose to call their country

    But the arabs refused that peaceful solution
     
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    In other words, you put the interests of Israel above the interests of America because you feel sorry for Israel.
     
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    Israel was created by foreign powers displacing the people who already lived there. That is a fact.
     
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    FDR had an answer for that

    He said it was in our best interests to help a neighbor when their house is on fire before it spreads to our house too

    Israel and America are allies because we are two sane countries with mutual interests
     
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    The “forein powers” you refer to were in fact the United Nations

    NOt my favorite organization but it is normally respected by libs

    And no arabs were displaced by the partition
     
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    Israel isn't our neighbor.

    Israel's house isn't on fire.

    And the only reason a proverbial fire threatens our house, is BECAUSE of all the resentment engendered by our blind support for Israel.

    Also, the interests of Israel are more often in conflict with our interests than they are mutual.

    The US would have no reason to quarrel with Iran if it weren't for our relationship with Israel.

    Iran would be more than happy to sell us their oil and grant us access to their economy if we would simply behave peacefully towards them.

    Instead, we have been on the brink of war for decades, all because we are protecting the interests of a country whose economy is smaller than Nigeria's.
     
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    And which power is the most influential in the UN?

    That would be the US and other western powers.

    I'm not a "lib".

    In fact, I'm much more conservative than you are.

    I believe in the foreign policy advocated by America's founders.

    You believe in the progressive internationalism espoused by people like Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson.

    Arabs were displaced by the creation of Israel. That is a fact.
     
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    Yes, you're probably right for at least my lifetime.

    Maybe the generations comprising those who are currently dying for Israel will recognize how much bankrolling Israel's aggressive Right Wing Occupiers are really costing America in blood & resources.
     
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    Why not, please, recognize the fact that unconditional US Government support of Israel's manipulative, aggressive and brutal Right Wing Regimes is severely detrimental to US interests and the generations burdened with ensuring Israel's "security" (i.e. regional hegemony)?
     
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    Manipulative and brutal? Severely derimental? Hyperbole?
     

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