Is Touching Someone's MAGA Hat Assault? Yes/No

Blimey, didn't take long for thread derailing to begin.

Doesn't matter if it's a lefty, righty, a hat, a coat, a string vest or whatever; keep ya fingers off, even if you were goaded.

 

provocation, proves intent... assault it is

the school should have it's own remedies, hopefully they'll apply them properly & without partisan... everyone is too eager to call authorities & file lawsuits, peeps need to learn to take of things on their own, solve their own issues... alas, today's children don't seem to have that 'luxury'...

if my kid came home & said "dad, johnny bullied me again", i'd tell 'em "kick 'em in the ballz as hard as you can, and stand your ground telling him there's more where that came from!, now get back to school & stop your whining... first, get me another beer"

 

And this is why parents need to have their kids trained in effective self defense before going to school and by effective I don't mean strip mall dojo karate lessons. In today's world effective martial arts are boxing and MMA. These are martial arts that build confidence. In high school kids should join the wrestling team. The grabbing of a hat could be followed by a sucker punch and should be treated accordingly.

 

My older son was small, but very athletic so he was never bothered by bullies in high school. The younger son was large, but not particularly athletic. I would box with him in the basement from time to time having him work on just a jab and jab/right cross. He got in one fight with a bully. He closed this bullies eye with repeated left jabs. The bully then made threats which were relayed to me. I called my older son (lived with his mother and went to a different high school) and said I expected him to take care of business or I would have to (I lived about 200 miles away). By liberal standards I guess I was a bad father.

My 10th grade gym teacher said if a smaller kid was bullied by a larger kid he should bring a length of 2x4 lumber to school and hit the bigger kid in the face with it. Now that was in the 60s. A different time as they say.

 

wow, don't take the post so personal

as I said, I am not sure if it's a crime if a kid touches another kids hat in a school, but it is something that could get one in trouble with the school

 

My son is pretty good size. 6’-4” 240# as an adult. He was advanced one grade in school making him younger than his class mates. at the age when boys voices start changing he wasn’t quite there yet. For what ever reason a kid started punking on him. It upset him to the point it was changing the atmosphere in our home. After a few days I had enough. I told him the next time he punks you start swinging and don’t stop til you see blood. Sure enough, the next morning at the bus stop, blows were thrown. My son never got plunked on after that, and the two of them are still really good friends today.
Handing down a good ass whoopin’ is better than cops and police records.

 

I don't care how the incident is defined wearing a politically provocative gear is stupid no matter what your politcal stance, there is a deliberate intention is to provoke or intimidate...wear the gear to a political rally that would make sense just as you would wear a team jersey to a game, wearing it elsewhere is visually giving the middle finger(FU) to everyone you encounter...

wearing a swastika cap to synagogue, KKK cap in a mixed race crowd, "Mohamed was a Pedo" cap in Pakistan or a "I love Putin" cap in the Ukraine don't feign surprise if you get a hostile reaction and then start whining about your right to free expression...

 

I know I wouldn't do it (touch someone's MAGA hat), because I wouldn't want to get into legal doodoo over a religious symbol. You're free to worship as you choose, as long as you don't violate anyone else's rights in the process.

 

What do you thank about Obama bumper stickers? I live in a liberal town and still see them. Are these bumper stickers an invitation to key these cars as I walk by.

I agree with you to some extent, but is a MAGA hat to be compared with a KKK hat or a hat intended to agitate someone based on their religion? Is a dude walking down the street with a heavy 2 day beard and wearing a dress an invitation for a hostile reaction?

 

I avoid putting politcal messages on my vehicles precisely because I know it's provocative, sure I have the right to do so but why unless I'm looking to piss people off...

there's an unwritten agreed upon rule when attending a social function where you don't know the other attendees " three topics to avoid sex, religion and politics" avoid those and your social encounter will likely be boring and uneventful...

 

Do school fights usually involve criminal charges or does the MAGA hat make the difference?

 

I don’t know about assault, but definitely a dick move.

 

MAGA cap assault should invoke "hate crime".


And if the attacker on the video is truly years older than his peers,
then police should be involved. The attacker might even be 18 or over
certainly making him an adult.
What do you think?
Doesn't he have a thick beard for High School?

Moi

Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.​

 

Look at the video.
Look at the attacker's beard.
How old is he? Maybe a legal adult.

Unless the smaller kid is a Black Belt Karate and
really knows how to kick some ( )o( ), not a chance.

I suspect the attacker is more than a year older than his class mates.
And his juvenile criminal record may account for his being older than his . . .
That is information I would like to know in this case.

 

What if I wear my Make Donald Drumpf Again hat to a Trump rally?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...lls-35000-make-donald-drumpf-again-hats-video

 

Go ahead. Can you even get to one?

 

A kid having a karate black belt may not mean much. Many modern day Karate instructors have never been in a fight so how can they teach a kid how to fight? Many kids have promoted to a black belts that have never been in a fight or never been hit by someone with bad intentions. Kids are often promoted to a given belt for kata and no contact sparring and paying money for belt tests. On the other hand, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu is the real deal and that is what kids should be taught IMHO. Anyone with say a Blue Belt in BJJ is going to do well in a fight. So will any kid with amateur boxing experience.

 

My instructors were Korean champions and body guards for high profile businessmen. Karate and many forms of Tae-Kwon-Do and Jiu-Jitsu teach kids the basics of self defense and self confidence. I highly recommend it for many kids. Especially kids in the pre-teen years. It's not the end all, be all, but it really is very constructive.

Good post. I like the way you think.

 

Impulse control is a learned behavior we expect from all people. Antifa is basically young men unwilling to shed adolescent urges to fight and absent a foe will destroy college buildings/ nearby businesses. People attacking the MAGA caps show poor restraint. But mocking/ giving the finger is a good compromise. The aggressor student should have done the later.

 

I have several vehicles, including a rather dirty pickup truck. I'll have no problem

 

Assault can occur without any physical contact.

 

AMAZINGLY

No one has commented beside Moi
about the apparent age and size discrepancy
between the bully and MAGA cap wearer.

I do believe the bully is a legal adult.
Over age 18. Check out that High School student's beard
in the video.
Sadly, such "kids" qualify for sports and in contact sports,
cream any opponent.


Moi

If Not who
If not now, when​

 

That is pretty much my take. We are creating a society of pansies that have no tolerance for anything other than what we are taught that we want to hear.

If anything I sympathize with the black dude in that he has allowed those with a political agenda to manipulate his emotions to the extent that he would act this way.

 

Comped to Obama, Trump is a strong leader. Nice to have finally have a real leader. A true patriot.

 

Is Touching Someone's MAGA Hat Assault? Yes/No

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