Is Trump guilty of suborning perjury?

I could give a rat's ass about the rules governing leftists. And the same is true of the Democratic Party. Nor am I obsessing about a Republican.

I am recording the life and times of Donald J. Trump, a lifelong Democrat until he changed his mind.

 

The true target of Friday’s F.B.I. actions was not Roger Stone himself, but his electronic devices.

The N.Y. Times reports, "Mr. Stone’s early-morning arrest at his Florida home unsurprisingly dominated coverage, but reports also noted that federal agents were “seen carting hard drives and other evidence from Mr. Stone’s apartment in Harlem, and his recording studio in South Florida was also raided.” The F.B.I., in other words, was executing search warrants, not just arrest warrants. Even the timing and manner of Mr. Stone’s arrest — at the absolute earliest moment allowed under federal rules of criminal procedure without persuading a judge to authorize an exceptional nighttime raid — suggests a concern with preventing destruction of evidence: Otherwise it would make little sense to send a dozen agents to arrest a man in his 60s before sunrise."

Once again, Trump is in big trouble.

 

We know that, if it became known to American voters that Trump was negotiating with the Russian government the whole time he was running for President, that would have been the death knell of his campaign. He would not be our President today.

Taking all these facts into consideration, do you really believe Trump and Giuliani when they deny Trump asked Cohen by suggestion or innuendo to lie to Congress?

That question has been asked twice before. I'm guessing you don't want to answer that question. That is an answer in and of itself. You know Trump asked Cohen to lie to Congress. End of story.

Thank you.

 

Tell us about Trumps father setting him up with billions. I have never heard that before. BuzzFeed or CNN?

 

I can't believe we got a mod warning. I have been told I have TDS a hundred times. I was not offended. Were you offended by what I said? It was more or less in jest.

"In that spirit, let me ask you question." That deserves a mod warning and six months probation? You got to be kidding me.

We are all adults here. I appreciate what the mods are achieving, but I would hope they will use common sense. We don't need a nanny.

 

I did answer it; we have no idea if Trump was negotiating with the Russians during the campaign. I guess we will eventually discover if this is true or not when Mueller releases the results of his investigation.

We do know there have been numerous fake news articles based on information the leftist media claims came from anonymous sources, the most recent example the BuzzFeed fiction. And liberals/progressives/socialists, in the the throes of TDS, have certainly seized on these reports as if they were true.

But we won't know for sure until Muller decides to tell us. You can bloviate as you wish, Sandy, but you're simply exercising a fantasy in which you have dedicated a great part of your life.

You might be right, or you might be wrong. But until then you're simply masturbating to unreliable information provided by Democratic Party operatives posing as journalists...

 

You haven't ever offended me, Sandy. I'm not sure why a moderator has warned us, and I'm with you in that that we are adults who can have a civil discussion.

 

Sure.

The president has long sold himself as a self-made billionaire, but a Times investigation found that he received at least $413 million in today’s dollars from his father’s real estate empire, much of it through tax dodges in the 1990s.

By age 3, Mr. Trump was earning $200,000 a year in today’s dollars from his father’s empire. He was a millionaire by age 8. By the time he was 17, his father had given him part ownership of a 52-unit apartment building. Soon after Mr. Trump graduated from college, he was receiving the equivalent of $1 million a year from his father. The money increased with the years, to more than $5 million annually in his 40s and 50s.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/10/02/us/politics/donald-trump-tax-schemes-fred-trump.html

 

That was not my question. Please review the post you responded for the background statement and the question I asked.

Please provide some examples of fake news from respected news sources.

 

Undoubtedly. He's been at it for over 30 years. He learned a lot about it from his old mob lawyer Roy Cohn.

 

Thank you. There is little doubt a mod got carried away. TDS has been used a thousand times on PF, and there have been various responses from the recipient of the tired, old and meaningless insult.

 

And his dad.

 

$413 million in today's dollars is far different from the billions you claimed his father gave him. Do you think Trump took any risks with that money? Did he employ anybody with that money? Has that money benefited anyone besides the Trump family? Does anyone have a better life because of Trump?
TDS is not an insult Sandy, it is a very real and serious affliction.

 

By age 3, Mr. Trump was earning $200,000 a year in today’s dollars from his father’s empire. He was a millionaire by age 8. By the time he was 17, his father had given him part ownership of a 52-unit apartment building. Soon after Mr. Trump graduated from college, he was receiving the equivalent of $1 million a year from his father. The money increased with the years, to more than $5 million annually in his 40s and 50s.

 

Not billions as you stated?

 

Your question is meaningless as it assumes Trump was, in fact, negotiating or colluding with Russia during the campaign.

We do not have conclusive information about this as yet.

Brian Ross from ABC, reporting that Michael Flynn was directed by Trump to make contact with Russian officials.

The latest BuzzFeed fake news.

Time Magazine reporting trump removed the bust of MLK from the Oval Office.

The Washington Post reporting numerous resignations from the State Department.

CNN, MSNBC, NBC claiming Trump requested secret security clearance for his kids in an act of nepotistic impropriety.

NPR's incorrect report on Trump Jr's testimony in Sept 2017 before the Senate Judiciary Committee.

All the networks reporting Trump urinated on a mattress in a Russian hotel room.

This is only a portion of all the incorrect media reporting on Trump and Russia. If you examine all the fake news reports on other issues I could go on for pages. Here's a brief summery:

http://thefederalist.com/2017/02/06/16-fake-news-stories-reporters-have-run-since-trump-won/

https://ivn.us/2016/11/21/25-fake-news-stories-mainstream-media/

https://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-b...-the-chief-culprit-behind-spread-of-fake-news

As I've said, until we can examine Mueller's findings we're grasping at straws, Sandy. And while it makes for fun and creative debate, all these threads are meaningless.

This is your thread, so I'll give you the last word. (And I'm glad we agree on moderators not interfering with our spirited debate.)

 

Trump's lawyer, Giuliani, has told us the negotiations with the Russian government continued until November 2016. I told you that.

I should not have asked. I am not going to wast my time on your "fake news."

 

Christie offers up a theory on why he doesn't believe there was any collusion with the Russians. Here it is:

"Mr. Christie said the campaign was too disorganized and threadbare 'to run a Tom Clancy operation,' and said he never saw evidence of collusion with Russian officials."

What Christie is arguing here is that the candidate and the campaign he ran was simply not sophisticated enough to possibly run some sort of broad-scale collusion operation with the Russians. That they were too dumb, politically speaking, to pull off anything close to this.

The problem with that theory is that the Russian GRU (military intell) did all the work. The Trump campaign did very little except ask questions, provide polling info, and use the information WikiLeaks was providing from the Russian hacks.

The idea there was coordination between the Trump campaign and the GRU was close knit information, known only to Trump, his family, and those he had trusted for years. Assuming he is telling the truth, which would be refreshing, it is no surprise that Christie knew nothing about collaboration with the Russians. It was not something Trump would want to advertise.

 

In his first question-and-answer session with reporters since becoming Acting Attorney General last November, Matthew Whitaker on Monday announced that Special Counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation is “close to being completed."

Earlier this month, Trump’s legal team pushed back on the suggestion the White House could seek to keep parts of Mueller's final report under wraps.

“We prefer that as much of the report as possible is public,” Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani told Fox News. "We believe a selective release would be problematic.”

Will Giuliani have to eat his words ... again?

In this case, I hope not. Trump says he is innocent, right. This whole Russian thing is a "witch hunt," right. Then he shouldn't mind the report becoming public.

Right?