Is ""white guilt" an idiotic concept?

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Is ""white guilt" an idiotic concept?

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  1. Shiva_TD

    Shiva_TD Progressive Libertarian Past Donor

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    The ancient Egyptians, the ancient Greeks, and the ancient Romans weren't white, black, brown or yellow people because racism didn't exist. .
    The division of people into "races" didn't even begin until after the 16th Century and not becoming a fully developed "ideology of supremacy" until the 19th Century,
     
  2. Pollycy

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    What?! Are you serious? :omg: Blacks are discriminated against, in the United States? :omg: In 2017?! :omg: After we've just put up with eight long, miserable years under the worst president in our history -- who happened to be half-Black? :omg:

    The only discrimination that has existed in this country since the early 1970's is discrimination against WHITE PEOPLE, Shiva. That's what "affirmative action" (a.k.a., "reverse discrimination") is all about! Liberals never cease to utterly amaze me...! :hippie:
     
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    History shows the opposite.

    It has been around for ever
     
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    Slavery was a business of Muslim Arabs, Africans always killed each other, only so-called 'white guilt' is highly pushed up by anti-white racists. Almost 99,99 % of all world inventions were make by whites, where are well-known scientists from Africa, Noble Price winners from Arabic countries and true inventions ( not stolen ) in China?There is not any 'white guilt', it is an invention of liars.
     
  5. Moi621

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    That YOU should feel ashamed and invite an aborigine into your home and ask their permission to also live there. Duh - uh!
    What part don't you get?

    On the other hand, why do Mexicans prefer :flagus: over Mexico?
    If you talk to 'em, they would not want Mexico to regain Texas or California, etc.
    Why do all the off White people prefer the WhiteLands and gov't?
    I see nothing to feel guilty about here and I'm Jewish.

    Moi :oldman:

    r > g

    No Canada-1.png
    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
  6. Troianii

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    First - it makes very little sense. The idea is that I should be ashamed of what my ancestors - no,not even my ancestors, I should be personally ashamed because of what the ancestors of other whites did. But somehow the same people who push this idea of Collective Ancestral Guilt mock the idea of any collective pride. If it doesn't make any sense for me to take pride in my nation (American), then why does it make sense for me to be ashamed of what my ancestors did, let alone what whites who are not my ancestors did? And if people should be ashamed of what their ancestors did, even have to pay reparations - then shouldn't I be owed something for the goos that my ancestors did? My ancestors signed the Declaration of Independence, translated the bible into English (and were burned for it), fought to end slavery (Union soldiers in civil war), fought in the Pacific againdt the Japanese, we're wounded in tank battles against Rommel, two were wounded at Normandy (D-Day). My family has even traced my lineage back to Agincourt, where some of my ancestors were archers under King Henry's command. If i should feel collective ancestral guilt for what my ancestors have done, shouldn't I get credit for what they've done? And if i should feel collective guilt for what non-related whites have done, then shouldn't I also get credit for what non-related whites have done?

    Second - a lot of your factual claims are dubious. For example,there were far more than 300,000 black slaves in America. I think you might be referring to how many were imported into the United States.

    Third - slavery isn't racist. Racism developed out of the unique nature or slavery in the U.S., not the other way around. The very word "slave" derives from Slav, because so many Slavs (note: whites) were taken as slaves. By the time of the United States, slavery was outlawed in most of continental Europe,so getting white slaves was basically impossible. There was, however, a large slave market in Africa, and so our merchants went there to purchase them.
     
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    You're mixing terms. White Guilt isn't about personal racism - it's about guilt for things you haven't said or done, but for what other whites have said or done - mostly historically.

    What you're talking about is current racism. Studies have shown that *blacks* and whites think that blacks are more racist than whites. And if you think whites should feel guilty either for what other whites now think about race or for what whites have done historically, then why shouldn't there be a comparable "black guilt"? As the op pointed to bad things that blacks have done, and even blacks think that blacks are more racist than whites.
     
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    Uh, no. People were divided into races long before then, but back in the day - less than a century ago really - rave was seen wildly differently. I never see the phrase used now, but when I was younger I saw many reference to the "Anglo-Saxon race", the "American race" or the "Irish race" and, of course, less than a century ago people spoke of the "German race". No, the modern idea of race as a grouping (really) by skin pigment is pretty new. The idea of race has been around for a long time, but until very recently it was about a shared cultural and historical heritage.

    And there were different ideas of race, even among the same groups. The Germans have always had the most rigid idea of race, which is by blood - so someone who immigrated to Germany could not actually become "German", whereas on the other end being French basically came down to speaking French.
     
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    I've seen many of the same descriptions you mention, but for the past few decades we have considered "race", per se, using more demonstrable scientific criteria. Today, when you boil all the "ethnicity" minutiae out of it, what you have left are the three main human races that all of us today are very familiar with -- Caucasoid, Mongoloid, and Negroid.
     
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    Can you put a warning if you post more pictures like that please?
     
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    Is white guilt the same as feeling sorry for people who don't have the means to take advantage of our way of living and working?
    Or who perhaps don't have the desire to live as we do?
    Do Mexicans want to stay in the US or just to work there?
    I suppose white people prefer white lands and govts, because that is what they are used to.
     
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    "Race" is not a precise, static term, and "White guilt" is an abstract concept comparable to "original sin."

    Social injustices are amenable to societal remedies, but guilt, in the non-judicial sense, is a matter of conscience, and that is an individual matter.
     
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    "My" Mexicans like the American system because it works.
    Less corruption and such.
     
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    "White guilt" is what Caucasians are supposed to feel for having made nearly every discovery and all the advances that have improved human life on this planet since the Renaissance!

    Who but a neurotic, delusional Liberal could have dreamed-up such a moronic idea as "White guilt"?! :frown:
     
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    Yeah, recently we have a quite different view of race than we did less than a century ago - that was my point.
     
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    No, it isn't. It's a sign that of awareness that guilt is the 'badge of honour' to be worn when amongst those we would wish to impress (with our virtue).
     
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    If you say so. I don't know who it is that issues you such degrees. I readily accept that being White, male, tall, healthy, educated, etc. gives me inherent advantages and privileges in this society, but it's not my fault - and I have enough things that I can control to feel guilty about.
     
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    "I don't know who it is that issues you such degrees" ? What are you talking about, Natty?

    I only have one degree... a Bach. of Science degree with honors from the Univ. of Texas at Austin. "White guilt"? "Inherent advantages"? I worked full-time every single day that I put myself through college, paying my own way for everything! I don't really consider that to be so remarkable, because lots of us have done it. But it had nothing (NOTHING) to do with "White advantage".
     
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    Sorry, I was in a hurry, and meant to type "decree." I don't know who had decreed that you are supposed to feel guilt, White or otherwise.

    Again, I have had advantages that others, unfortunately, missed - loving, caring parents foremost among them. I have been and am privileged in various respects and readily acknowledge that, but it does not result in guilt of any sort. "There but for fortune ..."
     
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    Unfortunately, victim-hood knows no chronological boundaries. Today, victim-hood pays huge bounties to those (like Al Sharpton and Jessie Jackson) who seek to falsely claim that blacks are victims of whites. Slavery along with leftist-liberal propaganda has laid the groundwork for today's race-baiters.
     
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    I understand now, and I agree. It reminds me of the old saying...

    “I wept because I had no shoes,
    until I met a man who had no feet.”


    Certainly, in that sense (but not because of being White), I do feel privileged, and (dare I say it) blessed by God Almighty! Happy Easter, Natty!
     
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    As I readily have conceded, I have been fortunate in the inherent privileges that being White and male in contemporary America have bestowed upon me. That demographic does not wield most of the power and amass most of the wealth because they are in any sense better people, although a few may like to fancy that's the case. It would be arrogant to pretend that those factors, along with others, have not been to my benefit. However, guilt does not follow, merely the dedication to advancing society in pursuit of the Founding Fathers' ideal, equality of opportunity.

    I join enthusiastically and uncritically in observing all holy days and holidays, and wish you joy in the occasion. On this day, my celebratory tradition is to raise my raiment against the sodden skies by adorning my crimson moleskin waistcoat with a double Albert to flatter my Elgin RR Standard.

    Even the seraphim are dazzled!
     
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    I've got two 18 kt. gold Waltham pocket watches gathering dust that I never even look at anymore. Pity. And, I doubt that the seraphim are dazzled by this uninspiring but deadly-accurate digital thing I wear on my wrist now instead. Sic transit gloria mundi! 8)
     
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    White guilt as a concept is nebulous at best. From my experience it's only used by people who project the guilt they feel upon being told that they're given access to advantages in society by their skin color. No serious leftist I know of feels "white guilt," as they would know that guilt is not a productive response to being privileged, nor is pointing out the existence of privilege meat to make people feel guilty.
     
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