Is wokeness the remedy to fascism?

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  1. JCS

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    You obviously didn't look at the huge list of what Biden had done in only his first year. Those are the kind of policies I'm referring to that deny the 'illiberals' political power by not catering to the overbearing weaponization of race.

    The policies do not cater to MAGA talking points----ie, fundamentalist Christian beliefs, immigration hype, election fraud hype, China & Russia hype, xenophobia, conspiracy theories, anti-environment, anti-green energy tech,, etc.
     
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    Actually I read it and asked
    "Not sure how any of that denies the "illiberal left" of power."
    And you still havent managed to string together a few words to argue how it does so.

    ????The weaponization of race has been accelerated under Biden
     
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    Simple: Biden's policies do not infringe on the rights of any race or group, no matter what white people say.
    How so? Because whites are angry and feel victimized or singled out all of sudden? The white race has predominantly hated any notion of being in any way 'equal' to minorities.

    It seems to be an intrinsic part of their DNA & culture. Whites, in their relentless pursuit of empire-building, have conquered the entire Western hemisphere, and have plundered & imposed their will upon 3rd World nations on all continents. So they're not going to easily relinquish that feeling/notion of global 'superiority'. Hell, at one time whites wouldn't even allow blacks to sit at the front of the bus! It didn't matter to them that America was built on the backs of slaves & minorities. No doubt white supremacy groups would love nothing better than to return to a period when they were, in their mind, the 'master race'.
     
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    Wokeness is Fascism.

    WAR IS PEACE, FREEDOM IS SLAVERY: Democrat congressman calls Florida’s latest expansion of freedom ‘fascism.’

    'Do words mean anything anymore? That’s the question prompted by Rep. Maxwell Frost’s most recent unhinged statement on MSNBC, where he decried an expansion of civil liberties as “fascism.”'

    'The first-term Florida congressman, a progressive Democrat, was asked by host Joy Reid about Florida Republicans’ ongoing move to expand gun rights. They’re considering enacting “constitutional carry,” allowing citizens to concealed carry handguns without a permit. This isn’t actually anything outlandish or novel. People such as violent felons would still be legally prohibited from carrying guns and Florida would join 25 other states that have a similar “constitutional carry” regiment.'

    'But we can’t let those pesky facts get in the way of some partisan fearmongering.'

    “What we’re seeing in Florida is scary, and I’m blunt about it, it’s fascism,” Frost said. “This is legislation that will result in death. People will die if this bill passes.”

    Because the Nazis were all about letting civilians own guns.

    Send this guy a copy of Gun Control in the Third Reich.
     
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    @Golem "woke" is a "first world problem."

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    Some societies fall apart slower and less violently than others. And you could do this same meme with substituting in a safe space, microaggression or mansplaining reference, or really anything the Woke whine about.
     
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    Russias failing pretty quickly again. Not much is going right with them, maybe they should wake up and leave other nations alone.
     
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    All children are free spirits which is to say absolutely lacking the discipline necessary to learn even the basics.
    80 percent of what you learn, you learn in the first five years of your life including all the attitudes, habits and skill sets that make future learning possible.
     
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    I know from other threads that you don't live in this country and are not familiar with our culture or the right-wing culture wars. The "woke" are people who are aware of social problems: discrimination, systemic racism, homophobia, ... The woke "whine" about injustice in our society in an attempt to ameliorate it. The "whine" part is used by those who are engaged in a culture war horrified because they would like to maintain... either a society where white reigns, impose their religious beliefs upon others, their control over women, or (not an exclusive "or") any other bigoted position they feel that "equality" might threaten. But this is why I believe wokeness IS the remedy to fascism.
     
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    I am more familiar than you think. We get all the same media, have similar culture movements here, and I have visited the US often, living nor far from the border. It is pretty close to impossible for a Canadian not to be familiar with US culture wars.

    That was the original meaning of the word. It has another meaning now more often; referencing the illiberal authoritarian, anti-free speech, pro-identity politics segment of the left.

    These are not liberals (they oppose most actually liberal principles). You say they are not "woke". So what do you propose we call them?

    Liberals do that, not the above referenced group. That group embraces the injustice and seeks to profit off of it, and push it against new targets.
     
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    That's why they shouldn't be locked in a classroom for 6 - 8 hours a day for 12+ years.
     
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    Looks to me like you are consuming (or at least believing) more Fox News. Because you keep repeating their talking points. You need to keep in mind that even Fox News' own hosts have said .... pretty much that it would be dumb for anybody to believe what they say.

    Oh God!

    Now see? This is the difference between looking at facts as they are, and just believing what Fox (or whatever wingnut media you listen to... they all echo each other) tells you. The latter is easier, because they tell you that laws that don't allow teachers to talk about black culture or to even acknowledge that people of the same sex can raise a family is "free speech". So you actually believe that education is "anti-free speech". And you are so immersed in the wingnut culture that you don't notice that up is not down.

    Clearly this is your problem. Not only are you not acquainted with our culture as it really is... you are believing the people who twist reality. And they even ADMIT it.

    Don't worry about what to "call" people. Concentrate on grasping reality first. What Fox calls "woke" is just a projection of themselves.

    Oh... those... Those you can call "right-wingers". Or you can call them Fox Pundits, since that's what you see on TV. They're the same thing.
     
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    No. I don't. But I think you need to believe I do in order to maintain your own bubble.

    No, I don't. My thoughts are my own, and you could try addressing them instead of running behind third person adhom. If somebody like Tucker (who I haven't actually watched but hear so much about) occasionally says something sensible, that doesn't make it not sensible, just because he said it.


    This has zero to do with what I wrote. You are projecting.

    There is a growing segment on the left who is anti-liberal, opposes free speech, is authoritarian, and push ideology such as race being important to identity. They are anti-liberal so actual liberals like myself are growing concerned about them taking over the left. This is happening not only in your country but in mine as well.

    And no, it isn't about same sex couples or "black culture". Those are conservative talking points you have latched onto.

    It is about censorship, deplatforming, race based hiring, language policing, etc. Our Prime Minister has been captured by it, so it isn't just a bunch of blue haired idiots on university campuses either.

    These are the people who pulled the fire alarm to disrupt and cancel an event of CAFEin Toronto because they dared to include men's issues along with women's.

    These are the people who demanded "safe spaces" away from white people.

    These are the people who got legislation in place so I had to determine the genders of different job roles in the company I work for and ensure that "female jobs pay AT LEAST AS WELL AS (not equal to) male job roles".

    And who also got the Canadian government to require Universities to hire based on race and gender.

    And who got Trudeau to form his first cabinet to "look like Canada", pacing people based on race and gender rather than picking the best people for the jobs... Which later resulted in a few scandals.

    These are the people so into their own virtue signalling that they take every opportunity to attack anyone who misspeaks or even who they deliberately misunderstand or misportray. The saving grace is that these are also people who eventually turn on each other, trying to out woke each other and demonize and other anyone who disagrees with anything they say.

    These people exist. These are not merely liberals concerned with everyone having equal opportunities (of which I am one). These are people who WANT things to be based on race and gender, who oppose free speech, etc.

    Many call that "woke". What do you call it? And no, pretending it doesn't exist or waiving at right wing bigots who may also talk about it, isn't an answer.

    It is a problem of any thoughtful person who actually wants to end racism and bigotry.
     
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    :above: QFT

    You're right - they're not liberals in the classical and libertarian senses of the word, and they're not progressives, either.

    Finally, they're not civil rights activists. This is what a real civil rights activist from my area - Martin Luther King Jr.'s chief of staff - had to say about them and their ideas:

    WTW MLK.jpg

    Do you know who separates even elementary school children into explicit racial groups, emphasizing differences instead of similarities?

    Racists, that's who.

    And as you probably know, Neo-Marxist Critical Race Theory is an off-shoot of Neo-Marxist Critical Theory. CRT merely replaces class with race.
     
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    I don't have to "believe". I'm reading what you write.

    I'm not talking about your thoughts. I'm talking about your talking points. You just demonstrated in another post that you bought into the whole "racism against white people" narrative. And you keep doing that. The talking points are designed so viewers don't HAVE to think. They just throw in a bumper-sticker slogan without bothering to think if it even means anything.

    You literally said woke people were "anti-free speech". When it's those waging the culture war against the "woke" (what the right calls "woke") that has enacted actual legislation against free-speech. Some of it already rejected by courts, other in the process... but the "woke" have done nothing of the sort.

    You need to pay more attention to what you write. Or you can retract instead of denying that you said it.

    What the hell does "anti-liberal" mean to you? In any case, you're doing it again: the ONLY ones who oppose free speech are those who PASSED anti-free speech legislation. The left has done nothing of the sort!

    So now you're just making up nonsense.

    Who the hell are you talking about? Provide examples, please!

    Oh... I see. You're talking about your country. I don't know anything about your Prime Minister's ideology. Or anything you're talking about. I'm talking about the U.S.


    I have no idea what they do in your country. In this one it's the right that does those things.
     
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    Nope that's why they need to be and should also get out door time to play outside weather permitting.
     
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    the only people who whine about this thing are a few tik tok "influencers" and american "conservatives."
     
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    That's what they'd be doing if they weren't locked in a classroom all day long for 12+ years.
     
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    Exactly what I wrote and what you quoted: Authoritarian, anti-free-speech, race identitarian, etc.

    Liberal means free thinking, inclusive regardless of race or gender, etc. Liberal is how we got laws discriminating against homosexuals and ethnic minorities struck down. Liberal is the multi-racial couple, the kids of different ethnicities playing together, and people not caring what race anybody else is. Woke is about putting up new racial tensions, demanidng "safe spaces" from white people for non-white people, etc.

    I'm capable of talking about both. It is a problem that goes beyond your own insular borders. Not everthing is always about you and you alone.

    Joe Biden announced before looking at VP candidates that his pick would be a woman. He pre-emptively excluded half the population from consideration. And that's not the only recent example from within your insular borders.
     
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    THAT is what "anti-liberal" means to you? I'm a liberal, and I consider that a binary generalization! Just because somebody doesn't agree with me doesn't automatically mean that they are any of those things.

    Most liberals believe those things. But so do many non-liberals.

    The worst part about that is not just that it's nonsense. It's that no such person exists.

    I'm capable of talking about many countries. Just not about Canada. So I don't.

    I have no idea what point you're trying to make, but he pre-emptively excluded all the population that is not qualified to be Vice President of the United States which is waaaaaay more than half. I think it was great that he anounce he would pick a black woman beforehand. I'm not understanding why you would have a problem with that. Are you saying that there are not hundreds... or thousands of black women who are qualified to be VP?
     
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    As long as you continue that which is inherently indefensible you will lose any rational debate and make no mistake you will lose defending garbage like CRT whose sole purpose is to divide and conquer not empower or help anyone.
     
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    Go woke go broke. Be a good goy and hate on cool LGBTQ folks so us CHOSEN, GOD's CHOSEN PEOPLE get to hang out with all the cool peeps.
     
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    never heard that but im sure its big on RW media, try if facsim ever comes to america it will be wrapped in the american flag, hold a bible i think sinclair said it
     
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    A. hitler tough all history was NOT class struggle, but racial, and ethinc, i am confused was adolf woke then?
     
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    Sure, but if they are those things, and they are on the left while being those things, what do you call them? Many call them Woke. They are the opposite of liberal. You don't see to want to acknowledge that they exist or you refuse to tell us what you call them if not Woke. Why?

    I don't have any problem with him picking an individual who happens to be a black woman. I have a problem with picking somebody while making race and gender a prerequisite. When white men do that for white men, I think you may agree....
     

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