Is Yahweh breaking an objective moral tenet?

The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 17, 2020

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If that were true, Yahweh would have done what all mortal Jesus like creatures do, and die for their children.

Not do like the moral coward Yahweh did; have his child step up instead of Yahweh doing the right thing and stepping up himself.

To experience mortality, one must die. God lives to believers.

The wise know that there is no supernatural god.

Regards
DL
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https://www.gotquestions.org/God-in-the-flesh.html

Is Jesus God in the flesh?

Question: "Is Jesus God in the flesh? Why is it important that Jesus is God in the flesh?"

Answer: Since Jesus’ conception by the Holy Spirit in the womb of the virgin Mary (Luke 1:26-38), the real identity of Jesus Christ has always been questioned by skeptics. It began with Mary’s fiancé, Joseph, who was afraid to marry her when she revealed that she was pregnant (Matthew 1:18-24). He took her as his wife only after the angel confirmed to him that the child she carried was the Son of God.

Hundreds of years before the birth of Christ, the prophet Isaiah foretold the coming of God’s Son: "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace" (Isaiah 9:6). When the angel spoke to Joseph and announced the impending birth of Jesus, he alluded to Isaiah’s prophecy: "The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel (which means ‘God with us’)" (Matthew 1:23). This did not mean they were to name the baby Immanuel; it meant that "God with us" was the baby’s identity. Jesus was God coming in the flesh to dwell with man.

Jesus Himself understood the speculation about His identity. He asked His disciples, "Who do people say that I am?" (Matthew 16:13; Mark 8:27). The answers varied, as they do today. Then Jesus asked a more pressing question: "Who do you say that I am?" (Matthew 16:15). Peter gave the right answer: "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God" (Matthew 16:16). Jesus affirmed the truth of Peter’s answer and promised that, upon that truth, He would build His church (Matthew 16:18).

The true nature and identity of Jesus Christ has eternal significance. Every person must answer the question Jesus asked His disciples: "Who do you say that I am?"

He gave us the correct answer in many ways. In John 14:9-10, Jesus said, "Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work."

The Bible is clear about the divine nature of the Lord Jesus Christ (see John 1:1-14). Philippians 2:6-7 says that, although Jesus was "in very nature God, He did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage; rather, he made himself nothing by taking the very nature of a servant, being made in human likeness." Colossians 2:9 says, “In Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form.”

Jesus is fully God and fully man, and the fact of His incarnation is of utmost importance. He lived a human life but did not possess a sin nature as we do. He was tempted but never sinned (Hebrews 2:14-18; 4:15). Sin entered the world through Adam, and Adam’s sinful nature has been transferred to every baby born into the world (Romans 5:12)—except for Jesus. Because Jesus did not have a human father, He did not inherit a sin nature. He possessed the divine nature from His Heavenly Father.

Jesus had to meet all the requirements of a holy God before He could be an acceptable sacrifice for our sin (John 8:29; Hebrews 9:14). He had to fulfill over three hundred prophecies about the Messiah that God, through the prophets, had foretold (Matthew 4:13-14; Luke 22:37; Isaiah 53; Micah 5:2).

Since the fall of man (Genesis 3:21-23), the only way to be made right with God has been the blood of an innocent sacrifice (Leviticus 9:2; Numbers 28:19; Deuteronomy 15:21; Hebrews 9:22). Jesus was the final, perfect sacrifice that satisfied forever God’s wrath against sin (Hebrews 10:14). His divine nature made Him fit for the work of Redeemer; His human body allowed Him to shed the blood necessary to redeem. No human being with a sin nature could pay such a debt. No one else could meet the requirements to become the sacrifice for the sins of the whole world (Matthew 26:28; 1 John 2:2). If Jesus were merely a good man as some claim, then He had a sin nature and was not perfect. In that case, His death and resurrection would have no power to save anyone.

Because Jesus was God in the flesh, He alone could pay the debt we owed to God. His victory over death and the grave won the victory for everyone who puts their trust in Him (John 1:12; 1 Corinthians 15:3-4, 17).
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modernpaladin · Nov 17, 2020

Greatest I am said: ↑

If that were true, Yahweh would have done what all mortal Jesus like creatures do, and die for their children.

Not do like the moral coward Yahweh did; have his child step up instead of Yahweh doing the right thing and stepping up himself.

To experience mortality, one must die. God lives to believers.

The wise know that there is no supernatural god.

Regards
DL
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Except if Jesus is a perspective of God, then Jesus' sacrifice is God's sacrifice.

In contrast to mortal human dynamics, Im am not a perspective of my father. We are two seperate individuals.

As to 'no supernatural'

supernatural
[ˌso͞opərˈnaCH(ə)rəl]
ADJECTIVE

(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

Every question we have ever answered about nature was 'supernatural' until we answered it. To say 'there is no supernatural' is to say we know everything about nature.

We don't.

The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 17, 2020

modernpaladin said: ↑

Essentially. The most likely scenario it seems to me is that Jesus is a perspective of God that resulted from God experiencing mortality.
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https://www.gotquestions.org/God-incarnate.html

What does incarnate mean? How was Jesus God incarnate?

Question: "What does incarnate mean? How was Jesus God incarnate?"

Answer: The Latin verb incarnare meant “to make flesh.” When we say that Jesus Christ is God “Incarnate,” we mean that the Son of God took on a fleshly, bodily form (John 1:14). However, when this happened in the womb of Mary, Jesus’ earthly mother, He did not stop being deity. Although Jesus became fully human (Hebrews 2:17), He retained His status as God (John 1:1, 14). How Jesus is able to be both man and God simultaneously is one of the great mysteries of Christianity but is nevertheless a test of orthodoxy (1 John 4:2; 2 John 1:7). Jesus has two distinct natures, divine and human. “Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me” (John 14:11).

The Bible clearly teaches the deity of Christ by presenting His fulfillment of numerous Old Testament prophecies (Isaiah 7:14; Psalm 2:7), His eternal existence (John 1:1–3; John 8:58), His miraculous virgin birth (Luke 1:26–31), His miracles (Matthew 9:24–25), His authority to forgive sin (Matthew 9:6), His acceptance of worship (Matthew 14:33), His ability to predict the future (Matthew 24:1–2), and His resurrection from the dead (Luke 24:36–39). The writer of Hebrews tells us Jesus is superior to angels (Hebrews 1:4–5) and angels are to worship Him (Hebrews 1:6).

The Bible also teaches the Incarnation—Jesus became fully human by taking on human flesh. Jesus was conceived in the womb and was born (Luke 2:7), He experienced normal aging (Luke 2:40), He had natural physical needs (John 19:28) and human emotions (Matthew 26:38), He learned (Luke 2:52), He died a physical death (Luke 23:46), and He was resurrected with a physical body (Luke 24:39). Jesus was human in every way except for sin; He lived a completely sinless life (Hebrews 4:15).

When Christ took on the form of a human, His nature did not change, but His position did. Jesus, in His original nature of God in spirit form, humbled Himself by laying aside His glory and privileges (Philippians 2:6–8). God can never stop being God because He is immutable (Hebrews 13:8) and infinite (Revelation 1:8). If Jesus stopped being fully God for even a split second, all life would die (see Acts 17:28). The doctrine of the Incarnation says that Jesus, while remaining fully God, became fully man.
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The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 17, 2020

modernpaladin said: ↑

Except if Jesus is a perspective of God, then Jesus' sacrifice is God's sacrifice.

In contrast to mortal human dynamics, Im am not a perspective of my father. We are two seperate individuals.

As to 'no supernatural'

supernatural
[ˌso͞opərˈnaCH(ə)rəl]
ADJECTIVE

(of a manifestation or event) attributed to some force beyond scientific understanding or the laws of nature.

Every question we have ever answered about nature was 'supernatural' until we answered it. To say 'there is no supernatural' is to say we know everything about nature.

We don't.
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https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-know-return.html

If Jesus is God, why did He not know when He would return?

Question: "If Jesus is God, why did He not know when He would return?"

Answer: Speaking of His second coming, Jesus said, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Matthew 24:36; cf. Mark 13:32). The Bible clearly teaches that Jesus is God (John 1:1, 14), and we know that God is omniscient. So it seems strange that Jesus would say that He did not know when He would return.

The key to understanding Jesus’ seeming lack of knowledge in this matter lies in the nature of the Incarnation. When the Son of God became a man, He remained fully God, but He also took on a true human nature. Jesus retained all the attributes of divinity, yet, as a man, He voluntarily restricted their use. This was part of the “self-emptying” or self-renunciation spoken of in Philippians 2:6–8. When Christ entered our world, He laid aside the privileges that had been His in heaven. Rather than stay on His throne in heaven, Jesus “made himself nothing” (as the NIV translates Philippians 2:7). When He came to earth, “he gave up his divine privileges” (NLT). He veiled His glory, and He chose to occupy the position of a servant.

There were times when Jesus publicly manifested His divine knowledge and power on earth (John 2:25; 11:43 –44). On those occasions, Jesus’ demonstrations of His divinity were directed by the Father. On other occasions, He had no such directive from the Father, and He kept His glory veiled. On all occasions, Jesus obeyed the Father’s will: “I always do what pleases him,” He said (John 8:29).

So, when Jesus said He did not know when He would return, He was actively humbling Himself and taking the form of a servant (see Philippians 2:7–8). Since no other mortal knows the time of Jesus’ return—that information is the Father’s alone (Matthew 24:36)—Jesus voluntarily restricted His knowledge on that point. It was part of Jesus’ submission to the Father (see John 5:30; 6:38; 8:28–29) and His mission to live a human life.

Some things Jesus apparently chose to “give up the rights” to be privy to during His earthly ministry. The knowledge of when He would return was one of those things. Jesus, now exalted in heaven, surely knows all, including the timing of His second coming.
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https://www.gotquestions.org/way-truth-life.html

What did Jesus mean when He said, “I am the way and the truth and the life” (John 14:6)?

Question: "What did Jesus mean when He said, 'I am the way and the truth and the life' (John 14:6)?"

Answer: “I am the way and the truth and the life” is one of the seven “I Am” statements of Jesus. On the last night before His betrayal and death, Jesus was preparing His disciples for the days ahead. For over three years, these men had been following Jesus and learning from His teaching and example. They had placed their hopes in Him as the Messiah, the promised deliverer, yet they still didn’t understand how He was going to accomplish that deliverance. After the Last Supper, Jesus began speaking about His departure, which led to questions from His disciples.

In John 13:33, Jesus said, “My children, I will be with you only a little longer. You will look for me, and just as I told the Jews, so I tell you now: Where I am going, you cannot come.” This prompted Peter to ask where He was going (verse 36). Peter and the others did not understand that Jesus was speaking of His death and ascension to heaven. Jesus’ response was, “Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later.” Peter was still misunderstanding and declared that he would follow Jesus anywhere and even lay down His life if necessary. As Jesus patiently continued to teach His disciples, He began speaking more plainly about heaven, describing the place He was going to prepare for them (John 14:2–3). Then Jesus said, “You know the way to the place where I am going” (verse 4). Speaking for the others, Thomas said they did not know where He was going, so how could they know how to follow Him there? It was in answer to this question that Jesus uttered one of the seven famous “I am” statements.

I am – In the Greek language, “I am” is a very intense way of referring to oneself. It would be comparable to saying, “I myself, and only I, am.” Several other times in the Gospels we find Jesus using these words. In Matthew 22:32 Jesus quotes Exodus 3:6, where God uses the same intensive form to say, “I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.” In John 8:58, Jesus said, “Truly, truly I say unto you, before Abraham was, I am.” The Jews clearly understood Jesus to be calling Himself God because they took up stones to stone Him for committing blasphemy in equating Himself with God. In Matthew 28:20, as Jesus gave the Great Commission, He gave it emphasis by saying, “I am with you always, to the end of the age.” When the soldiers came seeking Jesus in the garden the night before His crucifixion, He told them, “I am he,” and His words were so powerful that the soldiers fell to the ground (John 18:4–6). These words reflect the very name of God in Hebrew, Yahweh, which means “to be” or “the self-existing one.” It is the name of power and authority, and Jesus claimed it as His own.

The way – Jesus used the definite article to distinguish Himself as “the only way.” A way is a path or route, and the disciples had expressed their confusion about where He was going and how they could follow. As He had told them from the beginning, Jesus was again telling them (and us) “follow me.” There is no other path to heaven, no other way to the Father. Peter reiterated this same truth years later to the rulers in Jerusalem, saying about Jesus, “Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved” (Acts 4:12). The exclusive nature of the only path to salvation is expressed in the words “I am the way.”

The truth – Again Jesus used the definite article to emphasize Himself as “the only truth.” Psalm 119:142 says, “Your law is the truth.” In the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus reminded His listeners of several points of the Law, then said, “But I say unto you . . .” (Matthew 5:22, 28, 32, 34, 39, 44), thereby equating Himself with the Law of God as the authoritative standard of righteousness. In fact, Jesus said that He came to fulfill the Law and the prophets (Matthew 5:17). Jesus, as the incarnate Word of God (John 1:1) is the source of all truth.

The life – Jesus had just been telling His disciples about His impending death, and now He was claiming to be the source of all life. In John 10:17–18, Jesus declared that He was going to lay down His life for His sheep, and then take it back again. He spoke of His authority over life and death as being granted to Him by the Father. In John 14:19, He gave the promise that “because I live, you also will live.” The deliverance He was about to provide was not a political or social deliverance (which most of the Jews were seeking), but a true deliverance from a life of bondage to sin and death to a life of freedom in eternity.

In these words, Jesus was declaring Himself the great “I Am,” the only path to heaven, the only true measure of righteousness, and the source of both physical and spiritual life. He was staking His claim as the very God of Creation, the Lord who blessed Abraham, and the Holy One who inhabits eternity. He did this so the disciples would be able to face the dark days ahead and carry on the mission of declaring the gospel to the world. Of course, we know from Scripture that they still didn’t understand, and it took several visits from their risen Lord to shake them out of their disbelief. Once they understood the truth of His words, they became changed people, and the world has never been the same.

So how do we follow Him today? The same way the disciples did long ago. They heard the words of Jesus and believed them. They took His words and obeyed them. They confessed their sins to Jesus as their Lord and God. They believed that He died to take the punishment of their sins and rose from the dead to give them new life. They followed His example and command to tell others the truth about sin, righteousness, and judgment. When we follow Him in “the way,” we can be assured of following Him all the way to heaven.
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modernpaladin · Nov 17, 2020

The Amazing Sam's Ego said: ↑

https://www.gotquestions.org/Jesus-know-return.html

https://www.gotquestions.org/way-truth-life.html
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is gotquestions.org a perspective of The Amazing Sam's Ego?

...cuz if not, then why is gotquestions.org speaking for The Amazing Sam's Ego?

The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 17, 2020

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You describe some god and then attribute the creation you created to me. Not the brightest thing to do.

As to how I know it, goof, where else do we keep our paradigms?

As to the Gnostic Christian god, he is an esoteric ecumenist and perpetual seeker. All gods fit, in their proper place.

That is why we name Yahweh a vile demiurge in our myths.

We do not read myths literally and neither should you. It is not good for the mind.

Regards
DL
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https://www.gotquestions.org/Esoteric-Christianity.html

What is Esoteric Christianity?
Question: "What is Esoteric Christianity?"

Answer: Esoteric means “requiring special knowledge to understand; designed for only a select few.” Esoteric Christianity, then, would be a version of “Christianity” that can only be understood or practiced by those who have been properly initiated in secret knowledge. Esoteric Christianity teaches that Christianity is a mystery religion and that only a small minority of people ever achieve the enlightenment necessary to crack the arcane teachings of the Bible and truly know God.

Esotericism has more in common with Gnosticism, Theosophy, and Rosicrucianism than genuine biblical Christianity. Esoteric Christianity operates from the false premise that only a small group of people have access to the inner workings of the Christian faith. This is rather preposterous considering that the gospel of Christianity has and is spreading to even the remotest parts of the earth (Acts 1:8).

Esoteric Christianity views “salvation” as a stepping stone to greater truths. The Christian should not be satisfied with just being “saved” but with being “enlightened” and reaching “spiritual liberation.” Esoteric Christianity promotes introspection with the goal of attaining the knowledge of Self. Repentance, to an Esoteric Christian, is the “turning in” of one’s thoughts toward oneself and away from the world. Esoteric Christianity also embraces such falsehoods as astral projection and reincarnation. Promoters of Esoteric Christianity contrast themselves with those they call “Exoteric Christians”; the difference is that esotericists focus on inner religion and exotericists focus on outer religion.

Esoteric Christianity is ecumenical, having a desire to unite with esotericists of other faiths to establish a universal religion. The universal brotherhood of mankind will be realized, according to Esoteric Christianity, when people develop their minds and wills to the extent that “the Christ Within” is born in every individual. The teaching of Esoteric Christianity that everyone possesses divinity is blatant humanism.

Esoteric Christianity uses select verses from the Gospels for some of its teachings, but it also draws from the Apocryphaand various apocalyptic texts. Esoteric Christianity uses Jesus’ words in Matthew 13:11 and John 16:12 to make the point that divine wisdom was hidden from some and revealed to others. Undoubtedly, Jesus kept those who willfully rejected Him “in the dark”—that was one purpose of the parables (Matthew 13:10–13)—but the Bible’s basic command is to believe, not to chase hidden knowledge, mystical enlightenment, or self-actualization.

The Scriptures do speak of the church, comprised of both Jews and Gentiles, as a “mystery,” but it’s a mystery that has been fully revealed by God through the preaching of the apostles. A “mystery” in the New Testament is not an esoteric bit of information restricted from all but a few Christians; it is something that was in times past hidden but is now revealed to everyone. Paul wrote, “Of this church I was made a minister according to the stewardship from God bestowed on me for your benefit, that I might fully carry out the preaching of the word of God, that is, the mystery which has been hidden from the past ages and generations; but has now been manifested to His saints, to whom God willed to make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory” (Colossians 1:25–27, NASB). See also Ephesians 3:3–11. That the Gentiles would be fellow heirs with Christ within His Body was indeed an amazing revelation to the early Jewish apostles and disciples of Jesus.

Are there doctrines in the Bible that unsaved people cannot understand? Yes, “the person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit” (1 Corinthians 2:14). “But,” Paul goes on to say, “we have the mind of Christ” (verse 16). One’s level of spiritual understanding depends on the presence of the indwelling Holy Spirit. We must grow in Christ (1 Corinthians 2:1–2) and increase in knowledge (2 Peter 3:18), but not, as Esoteric Christianity teaches, to attain special “premium membership” status. Jesus’ invitation is broad, not limited to a select few: “Whoever comes to me I will never drive away” (John 6:37). The Word of God is our guide (Psalm 119:105), not human wisdom.
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The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 17, 2020

Greatest I am said: ↑

You describe some god and then attribute the creation you created to me. Not the brightest thing to do.

As to how I know it, goof, where else do we keep our paradigms?

As to the Gnostic Christian god, he is an esoteric ecumenist and perpetual seeker. All gods fit, in their proper place.

That is why we name Yahweh a vile demiurge in our myths.

We do not read myths literally and neither should you. It is not good for the mind.

Regards
DL
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https://www.gotquestions.org/Demiurge.html

What is the Demiurge?

Question: "What is the Demiurge?"

Answer: Literally, the word demiurge means “public worker” or “public craftsman.” The Greek word from which it comes was originally used to denote a person such as an artisan who had a special skill and fulfilled a special function in society. Over time the term came to refer to a deity of sorts; in some philosophies and religions, the Demiurge is a subordinate god who was involved in the creation of the universe. The Demiurge is seen as the Great Artificer or the Grand Architect of the Universe.

Plato was one of the first to discuss the Demiurge as the being responsible for the production of the universe. According to Plato, the Demiurge fashioned and shaped the material universe. This being was good, but the world is flawed because the Demiurge did not have much to work with—despite the Demiurge’s best intentions, the world is imperfect.

In Gnosticism, the Demiurge is not good at all. Rather, the Gnostic Demiurge is a proud, bungling fool who created the material world against the wishes of the Supreme God. In this way the Gnostics consider all material things evil—the physical world is the product of a hostile Demiurge—and all spiritual, incorporeal things good.

Some Gnostics identify the Demiurge as the God of the Old Testament and place him at odds with the God of the New Testament. Other Gnostics, specifically those in the Valentinian school of thought, identify the Demiurge not as an evil being but as a benevolent (albeit rather ignorant) spirit who rues the fact that the world is corrupt. In Valentinian Gnosticism, the Demiurge is himself redeemed and participates in the redemption of humanity as well.

There is nothing biblical about the concept of the Demiurge. The Bible presents God as the sole Creator of heaven and earth (Genesis 1); there are no subordinate gods, and the earth was not formed by a stupid (or evil) spirit. The Creator spoke the universe into existence; He did not form it out of pre-existing material. The world is corrupt due to man’s sin (Romans 5:12; 1 Corinthians 15:22), not because of the sloppy (or malicious) work of a spirit being. The Bible does not present two gods in the Old and New Testaments but one God advancing His single plan of redemption through the ages. Platonism and Gnosticism do not represent the truth.
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Greatest I am · Nov 20, 2020

The Amazing Sam's Ego said: ↑

https://www.gotquestions.org/God-in-the-flesh.html
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Mine was a moral question, but you show all that you are good for is copy past without knowing what you are quoting and advocating.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am · Nov 20, 2020

modernpaladin said: ↑

To say 'there is no supernatural' is to say we know everything about nature.

We don't.
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To say that talking serpents and donkeys talk human, --- is proof that there is no supernatural, --- and if the writer posits that there is, --- he is as liar, unless he has proof, which does not exist.

Regards
DL

Greatest I am · Nov 20, 2020

The Amazing Sam's Ego said: ↑

https://www.gotquestions.org/Demiurge.html

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Myth is not reality, fool.

Regards
DL

The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 20, 2020

Greatest I am said: ↑

Myth is not reality, fool.

Regards
DL
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The Bible is the Word of God, not mythology. The Bible was written by 66 different authors, in different time periods. The Bible is different from Greek beliefs in that it talks about the holiness of God and the sinfulness of people. Everyone knows that they are sinners and that they do things that they are not supposed to do. The Bible talks about morality that everyone is born knowing.

The New Testament mentions embarrassing details in Mark 3:21, 31 and John 7:5 and John 7:12. That doesnt sound like a story they would make up about Jesus being sinless and perfect.

How do I know the Bible is not just mythology?
Question: "How do I know the Bible is not just mythology?"

Answer: That the Bible originated in the mind of God makes it not only unique among all books, it is unique among all the treasures on earth. President Abraham Lincoln appropriately referred to the Bible as “the best gift God has given to man.” Indeed it is. It reveals God’s eternal plan of redeeming the fallen human race. Yet even though billions of copies of it have been distributed throughout the world, many continue to question its truth. Is the Bible a book of mythology, or is it the true, inspired Word of God? This question is of the greatest importance to every person, whether they know it or not.

Many religious texts claim to convey a divine message. The Bible, however, stands alone in that God left absolutely no room for doubt as to whether or not this is His written Word. If anyone undertakes an honest effort to examine the facts, he will find the Bible most assuredly has God’s signature all through it. The very same mouth that spoke all of creation into existence also gave us the Bible.

Unlike mythology, the Bible has a historical framework. Its characters are real people living in verifiable locations during historical events. The Bible mentions Nebuchadnezzar, Sennacherib, Cyrus, Herod, Felix, Pilate, and many other historical figures. Its history coincides with that of many nations, including the Egyptian, Hittite, Persian, Babylonian, and Roman empires. The events of the Bible take place in geographical areas such as Canaan, Syria, Egypt, Mesopotamia, and others. All this certifiable detail refutes the idea that the Bible is mere mythology.

Unlike mythology, the Bible has many confirmations in sciences such as biology, geology, astronomy, and archaeology. The field of biblical archaeology has absolutely exploded in the last century and a half, during which time hundreds of thousands of artifacts have been discovered. Just one example: at one time, skeptics used the Bible’s references to the Hittite civilization as “proof” that the Bible was a myth. There was never any such people as the “Hittites,” according to the science of the day. However, in 1876, the first of a series of discoveries was made, and now the existence of the ancient Hittite civilization is well documented. Archaeology continues to bolster the Bible’s historicity. As Dr. Henry M. Morris has remarked, “There exists today not one unquestionable find of archaeology that proves the Bible to be in error at any point.”

Unlike mythology, the Bible is written as history. Luke wrote his Gospel as “an account of the things that have been fulfilled among us . . . just as they were handed down to us by those who from the first were eyewitnesses.” Luke claims that he had “carefully investigated everything from the beginning” and so wrote “an orderly account . . . so that you may know the certainty of the things you have been taught” (see Luke 1:1-4). Did Luke include miracles in his account? Yes, many of them. But they were miracles verified by eyewitnesses. Two thousand years later, a skeptic might call Luke’s account a “myth,” but the burden of proof rests with the skeptic. The account itself is a carefully investigated historical document.

Unlike mythology, the Bible contains an astounding number of fulfilled prophecies. Myths do not bother with prophecy, but fully one third of the Bible is prophecy. The Bible contains over 1,800 predictions concerning more than 700 separate subjects found in over 8,300 verses. The Old Testament contains more than 300 prophecies concerning Jesus Christ alone, many with amazing specificity. Numerous prophecies have already been fulfilled, and they have come to pass precisely as foretold. The mathematical odds of someone making this number of predictions and having every one of them come to pass are light-years beyond the realm of human possibility. These miraculous prophecies could only be accomplished with the supernatural guidance of Him who sees the end from the beginning (Isaiah 46:9-10).

Unlike mythology, the Bible has transformed a countless number of lives. Yet many people allow the views of others—who have never seriously studied the Bible—to shape their own opinions. Each of us needs study it for ourselves. Put it to the test. Live by the Bible’s precepts and experience for yourself the dynamic and transforming power of this amazing Book. Apply its teachings on forgiveness and see how it can mend a broken relationship. Apply its principles of stewardship and watch your financial situation improve. Apply its teaching on faith and feel a calming presence in your heart even as you navigate through a difficult trial in your life. The Bible works. There is a reason Christians in various countries around the world risk their lives daily to expose others to the life-giving truth of this remarkable Book.

Ultimately, many who reject God and His revealed Word do so because of pride. They are so invested in their personal beliefs that they refuse to honestly weigh the evidence. To accept the Bible as true would require them to think seriously about God and their responsibility to Him. To accept the Bible as true might require a change of lifestyle. As Erwin Lutzer stated, “The truth is, few people have an open mind, especially about matters of religion. . . . Thus, perverted doctrines and prejudices are easily perpetuated from one generation to another.”

Millions die every year having bet their eternal souls that the Bible is not true, hoping against hope that it is nothing but a book of mythology, and that God does not exist. It is a risky gamble, and the stakes are very high. We urge everyone to read the Bible with an open mind; let it speak for itself, and may you find that God’s Word is truth (John 17:17).
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Greatest I am · Nov 20, 2020

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Everyone knows that they are sinners and that they do things that they are not supposed to do
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You seem to forget that Christians call Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to god's plan, so Christians praise what you say we should not do.

You can copy past but have a hard time thinking. Try it.

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DL

The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 20, 2020

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You seem to forget that Christians call Adam's sin a happy fault and necessary to god's plan, so Christians praise what you say we should not do.

You can copy past but have a hard time thinking. Try it.

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God is not the author of sin. Gods plan was there because he chose to take our punishment after we sinned. Adam had dominion. We all would have done the same as Adam if we were there. That's why original sin is fair. Original sin is why the God shaped hole that Blaise Pascal talked about, exists. People are separated from God by sin and are trying to find meaning in things that arent of God. Its people being homesick for God. The Bible fits together like a puzzle piece, because there is a Creator, everything has such a design and a purpose, we are imperfect, and it makes sense that the God who created everything would love his sinful creation so much that He would die for our sins.

The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 20, 2020

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Mine was a moral question, but you show all that you are good for is copy past without knowing what you are quoting and advocating.

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DL
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I was addressing the issue of Jesus being God in his fullness but God the Father and the Holy Spirit werent incarnated.

The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 20, 2020

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Myth is not reality, fool.

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DL
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I dont agree with naturalistic explanations for things like the plagues of Egypt and Noahs flood. Egyptian Papyri have writings on them that are similar to the writings of that mentioned in Exodus. https://opentheword.org/2014/08/22/...k-of-the-exodus-from-an-egyptian-perspective/
https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/noahs-ark-found/noahs-ark-mount-ararat/

Greatest I am · Nov 20, 2020

The Amazing Sam's Ego said: ↑

God is not the author of sin. Gods plan was there because he chose to take our punishment after we sinned. Adam had dominion. We all would have done the same as Adam if we were there. That's why original sin is fair. Original sin is why the God shaped hole that Blaise Pascal talked about, exists. People are separated from God by sin and are trying to find meaning in things that arent of God. Its people being homesick for God. The Bible fits together like a puzzle piece, because there is a Creator, everything has such a design and a purpose, we are imperfect, and it makes sense that the God who created everything would love his sinful creation so much that He would die for our sins.
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You are quite the liar.

Scriptures say that Yahweh created all evil and sin, and here you are saying that man is god's co-creator.

Do you like that you were created in the likeness of a genocidal god?

If in a sinners likeness, we cannot help but sin the way your genocidal god did. Most of us do not get as vile as that prick though.

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DL

Greatest I am · Nov 20, 2020

The Amazing Sam's Ego said: ↑

I was addressing the issue of Jesus being God in his fullness but God the Father and the Holy Spirit werent incarnated.
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You were deflecting and are just adding lies to your previous.

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DL

Greatest I am · Nov 20, 2020

The Amazing Sam's Ego said: ↑

I dont agree with naturalistic explanations for things like the plagues of Egypt and Noahs flood. Egyptian Papyri have writings on them that are similar to the writings of that mentioned in Exodus. https://opentheword.org/2014/08/22/...k-of-the-exodus-from-an-egyptian-perspective/
https://answersingenesis.org/noahs-ark/noahs-ark-found/noahs-ark-mount-ararat/
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You don't agree with naturalistic explanations, but would rather believe that a supernatural genocidal prick of a god is somehow worthy of you.

You will never reach his genocidal prick status so stop trying.

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DL

The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 20, 2020

Greatest I am said: ↑

You are quite the liar.

Scriptures say that Yahweh created all evil and sin, and here you are saying that man is god's co-creator.

Do you like that you were created in the likeness of a genocidal god?

If in a sinners likeness, we cannot help but sin the way your genocidal god did. Most of us do not get as vile as that prick though.

Regards
DL
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God created us with free will, and with our free will we sin, but that doesn't mean that God created sin.

https://carm.org/did-god-create-sin

Did God create sin?
by Matt Slick
12/11/08

No, God did not create sin nor has he ever sinned. God is holy and He would not create that which is contrary to His nature. Sinfulness is the opposite of holiness. It is lawlessness (1 John 3:4). God is the author of the Law which is a reflection of His holy character (Exodus 20:1-17). Therefore, God cannot create that which is in direct violation of the Law any more than a person can wish himself to be bigger than the sun. It just isn’t possible.

But, if God didn’t create sin, then where did it come from? This is a question that has been debated by theologians and philosophers for many years. I cannot say that I have any better answers than they. Nevertheless, let me venture a guess.

God created the conditions where free will creatures would be able to make a choice between obedience and disobedience to God. This condition existed when God created an angel called Lucifer who was without sin yet, freely chose to sin by rebelling against God. This is the origin of sin (Isaiah 14:12-15; Ezek. 28:13-15). Likewise, Adam and Eve, having been made by God without sin, listened to the devil and freely chose to sin against God (Gen. 3:1-6). It was then through Adam in particular that sin entered the world (Romans 5:12).

But God did not cause them to sin, nor did he tempt them to sin (James 1:13). In the freedom of their wills, each decided to rebel against God, and sin entered the world (Rom. 5:12). God simply allowed the condition to exist where sin was possible.

An analogy can be found in the relationship between a parent and a child. A parent can create the condition that makes disobedience possible, yet the parent remains innocent if the child sins. For example, if a parent tells his child to clean up his room and the child does not, he has rebelled. But, the parent is not responsible for the child’s sin, nor did he cause the child to sin. The child had a choice to obey or not to obey.

Likewise, God has created the condition in the world where the ability to rebel against Him was possible. Yet, he is not responsible for that rebellion once it has been committed. Therefore, sin originated with Lucifer, who was the first to rebel and entered the world through Adam who likewise chose disobedience.
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God didn't create evil. That is based off of a misunderstanding of a certain Bible verse in the book of Isaiah. God created everything and brings judgements that involve calamity and distress, but that isn't evil. Evil is what people do with their free will. https://carm.org/does-god-create-evil

Does God create evil?
Isaiah 45:7 and Amos 3:6

(Isaiah 45:7, KJV) - "I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things."

(Amos 3:6) - "Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?"

Is God really the one who created evil? To answer the question we must first look at how the word for evil, rah, is used in the Bible, examine the context of the Isaiah 45:7 passage, and look at other passages on the same subject.

First of all, the Hebrew word for evil, rah, is used in many different ways in the Bible. In the KJV Bible it occurs 663 times. 431 times it is translated as evil. The other 232 times it is translated as wicked, bad, hurt, harm, ill, sorrow, mischief, displeased, adversity, affliction, trouble, calamity, grievous, misery, and trouble. So we can see that the word does not require that it be translated as evil. This is why different Bibles translate this verse differently. It is translated as calamity by the NASB and NKJV; disaster by the NIV; and woe by the RSV.

Second, the context of the verse is speaking of natural phenomena.

"I am the Lord, and there is no other; Besides Me there is no God. I will gird you, though you have not known Me; 6That men may know from the rising to the setting of the sun That there is no one besides Me. I am the Lord, and there is no other, 7The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the Lord who does all these," (Isaiah 45:5-7).

Notice that the context of the verse is dealing with who God is, that it is God who speaks of natural phenomena (sun, light, dark), and it is God who is able to cause "well-being" as well as "calamity." Contextually, this verse is dealing with natural disasters and human comfort issues. It is not speaking of moral evil; rather, it is dealing with calamity, distress, etc. This is consistent with other scriptures. For example,

"And the Lord said to him, "Who has made man’s mouth? Or who makes him dumb or deaf, or seeing or blind? Is it not I, the Lord?" (Exodus 4:11).

"Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6).

Also, take note that Isaiah is presenting contrasts. He speaks of "light" and "darkness," "well being" and "calamity." The word "well-being" in the Hebrew is the word for 'peace,' "Shalome." So, in the context, we are seeing two sets of opposites: Light and dark, peace and non-peace, or well being and calamity. The "evil" that is spoken of is not ontological evil, but the evil experienced by people in the form of calamity.

From the above two verses (Exodus 4:11; Amos 3:6) we can see that the Lord is involved in calamity and problems in the earthly realm. Exodus 4:11 is speaking of human frailty and Amos 3:6 is speaking of woes in a city. It is not a moral evil that God brings, but calamity and distress upon people.
Of course, this raises other questions of why God would do such a thing, which I won't cover here. But, we can trust that whatever God does is just and is used for teaching, guiding, and disciplining His people.

Third, there are other verses that clearly show that God is pure and that He cannot approve of evil.

“The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; a God of faithfulness and without injustice, righteous and upright is He," (Deut. 32:4).

"Thine eyes are too pure to approve evil, and Thou canst not look on wickedness with favor," (Hab. 1:13).

We can see that the Bible teaches that God is pure and does not approve of evil, that the word rah (evil) in Hebrew can mean many things, and that contextually the verse is speaking of calamity and distress. Therefore, God does not create evil in the moral sense, but in the sense of disaster or calamity.
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The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 20, 2020

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You were deflecting and are just adding lies to your previous.

Regards
DL
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How am I deflecting? I was talking about the Hypostatic Union and Jesus being the fullness of God. Are you asking me about if Jesus was the Father incarnate? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incarnation_(Christianity)

In Christian theology, the incarnation is the belief that Jesus Christ, the second person of the Trinity, also known as God the Son or the Logos(Koine Greek for "Word"), "was made flesh"[2] by being conceived in the womb of a woman, the Virgin Mary, also known as the Theotokos(Greek for "God-bearer"). The doctrine of the incarnation, then, entails that Jesus is fully God and fully human.

In the incarnation, as traditionally defined by those Churches that adhere to the Council of Chalcedon, the divine nature of the Son was united but not mixed with human nature[3] in one divine Person, Jesus Christ, who was both "truly God and truly man". This is central to the traditional faith held by most Christians. Alternative views on the subject (see Ebionites and the Gospel of the Hebrews) have been proposed throughout the centuries, but all were rejected by Nicene Christianity.
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Hebrews 1:3 says
"The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven."

Colossians 1:15 says "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."

The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 20, 2020

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You don't agree with naturalistic explanations, but would rather believe that a supernatural genocidal prick of a god is somehow worthy of you.

You will never reach his genocidal prick status so stop trying.

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DL
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Naturalism doesnt make sense. Everything in nature has an order and a purpose. Microevolution is possible but macroevolution is impossible because everything had to come together all at once. You cant have intermediate organs. Everyone is born with a desire to seek God and they know that there is someone out there greater than us, but they mistaken that desire with things like relationships and hobbies and other idols. An idol doesnt have to be a statue that you worship its anything that replaces putting God first. God created all of the laws of nature and things in existence that naturalism talks about. Naturalism contradicts what we know about the moral law that is written on our hearts. Romans 2:15 in the Bible, says. "They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them."

https://carm.org/atheism/naturalism-is-self-refuting

Naturalism is self-refuting.
by Matt Slick

Naturalism is self-refuting because it undermines the foundation for proper logical inference by restricting the human brain to operation within the properties of the physical laws yet physical laws do not produce proper logical inference.

In order to expand on this I must define my terms.

Naturalism - "Naturalism is the position that nature is all there is, and there is no supernatural realm. It says that all of human experience can be described and understood through natural laws, science, and human reason. It asserts that biological evolution is true and that there are no supernatural realities."1

Chemical Properties - The characteristics of chemicals that determines the way they behave and are discovered through interaction with other chemicals.

Physical Laws - Physical Laws are descriptions of behavior of the material realm. "A physical law or scientific law is a scientific generalization based on empirical observations of physical behaviour (i.e. the law of nature [1]). Laws of nature are observable," 2.These descriptions are derived from scientific inquiry via observation, hypotheses, testing, and repeatability to describe consistent behavior which is then codified as Physical Laws. Laws describe the behavior of the physical properties.

Physical Properties - Properties are characteristics that exist in relationship to an object and/or phenomenon. Examples of physical properties would be density, electric charge, hardness, mass, momentum, reflectivity, temperature, etc. Properties are dependent upon their objects. Properties are measurable.

Physical Realm - The universe and everything contained within it.

Reason - "Reason is that part of the human mind where mental faculties are used to examine phenomena, think through them, and draw proper conclusions about them. It is the capacity of logical thought. Reason can also be a statement offered to explain something."3.

Naturalism undermines the rational basis for proper logical inference because it reduces rational processes to neurochemical reactions of the physical brain. But, can one electro-chemical state that leads to another electro-chemical state in the brain, produce proper logical inference? If so, how? How is it possible since different brains have different neurochemical wirings, yet there seems to be a common set of Logical Laws that different brains must appeal to in order to validate or invalidate conclusions? This Implies that various physical brains either appeal to these logical laws, discover them, and not produce them. But This works against naturalism's necessary assumption that the physical brain somehow produces proper logical inference.

Furthermore, another problem is that if a so-called "logical conclusion" is produced in a person's brain, then the conclusion is automatically "true" to that physical brain because it is the necessary result of that particular brain's neurochemical wiring. There then is no means to verify the truth or falsity of such a conclusion unless a source outside of that person is consulted. But this means that the person must appeal to a standard of logic that is absolute and external to himself and not dependent on that particular physical brain's neurochemical arrangement. But how is this possible in naturalism?

To makes this even simpler, "Naturalism undermines proper logical inference by reducing brain behavior to the laws of physics, but the laws of physics don't produce proper logical inference."

So, atheistic naturalism is, ultimately, self-refuting.
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Greatest I am · Nov 21, 2020

The Amazing Sam's Ego said: ↑

God created us with free will, and with our free will we sin, but that doesn't mean that God created sin.

https://carm.org/did-god-create-sin

God didn't create evil. That is based off of a misunderstanding of a certain Bible verse in the book of Isaiah. God created everything and brings judgements that involve calamity and distress, but that isn't evil. Evil is what people do with their free will. https://carm.org/does-god-create-evil
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"God is pure"

Was Hitler just as pure?

He and Yahweh have the same traits.

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DL

Greatest I am · Nov 21, 2020

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How am I deflecting? I was talking about the Hypostatic Union and Jesus being the fullness of God.
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Mythical garbage does not trump logos and morals.

Why are you ignoring morals and hiding behind your supernatural shield?

Morals can have an end game. You just want something with no end game, based on your fantasies and lies.

Your ways is why Christianity is dying. A good thing that given their vile god and immoral religion.

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DL

Greatest I am · Nov 21, 2020

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Colossians 1:15 says "The Son is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation."
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How stupid. An invisible image is invisible.

Strange that you think Jesus was first born, after Yahweh, yet Jesus rules.

So much for you following the first commandment.

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DL

The Amazing Sam's Ego · Nov 21, 2020

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How stupid. An invisible image is invisible.

Strange that you think Jesus was first born, after Yahweh, yet Jesus rules.

So much for you following the first commandment.

Regards
DL
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Jesus being the first born over all creation doesnt mean that Jesus isnt God, the verse has to be taken in context.

https://www.answering-islam.org/Shamoun/jesus_walks_on_sea.htm

The Lord Jesus – the Maker and Ruler of Creation

Sam Shamoun

According to the N[ew]T[estament] writings Jesus Christ, in his prehuman existence, made all created things and is actively sustaining them. The inspired Christian Greek Scriptures state that Christ is the active (not merely passive) Agent of creation, that God [the Father] used his Divine Son to bring all created things into being:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning. Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. In him was life, and that life was the light of men… He was in the world, and though the world was made through him, the world did not recognize him… The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 1:1-4, 10, 14 NIV

"yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." 1 Corinthians 8:6

"For he has rescued us from the dominion of darkness and brought us into the kingdom of the Son he loves, in whom we have redemption, the forgiveness of sins. He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He IS before all things, and in him all things hold together. And he is the head of the body, the church; he is the beginning and the firstborn from among the dead, so that in everything he might have the supremacy. For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross." Colossians 1:13-20 NIV

"In the past God spoke to our forefathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom he made the universe. The Son is the radiance of God's glory and the exact representation of his being, sustaining all things by his powerful word. After he had provided purification for sins, he sat down at the right hand of the Majesty in heaven." Hebrews 1:1-3 NIV

The next references make it plain that Christ didn’t merely have a passing role in creation but was fully responsible for making and fashioning the entire created realm:

"But about the Son he [the Father] says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last for ever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated wickedness… In the beginning, O Lord [Jesus], you laid the foundations of the earth, and the heavens are the work of your hands. They will perish, but you remain; they will all wear out like a garment. You will roll them up like a robe; like a garment they will be changed. But you remain the same, and your years will never end.’" Hebrews 1:8, 10-12 NIV

Amazingly, the NT author has the Father praising his Son for being the Lord who personally created (and who is also actively sustaining) the heavens and the earth, and does so by quoting a Psalm which speaks of Yahweh’s work in creating the cosmos:

In the beginning You, O Lord, you laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but you remain; and they all shall grow old like a garment; and as a vesture shall You fold them and they shall be changed. But You are the same, and Your years shall not fail. Psalm 102:25-27 Septuagint (LXX) (Source)

By attributing this particular Psalm to the Son’s role in creation the writer has pretty much identified Jesus as Yahweh, the God who created the entire universe!

As if this identification of Jesus with Yahweh wasn’t clear enough the O[ld]T[estament] writings emphatically teach that Yahweh alone made the cosmos since he didn’t enlist anyone to help him create the universe:

"This is what the LORD says— your Redeemer, who formed you in the womb: I am the LORD, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself," Isaiah 44:24 NIV

"He alone stretches out the heavens and treads on the waves of the sea." Job 9:8 NIV

The inspired Scriptures further teach that Yahweh is actively sustaining all creation, that he is the One who is keeping it all together and guiding it along to accomplish all of his purposes:

"Then the Levites, Jeshua, Kadmiel, Bani, Hashabneiah, Sherebiah, Hodiah, Shebaniah, and Pethahiah, said, ‘Stand up and bless the LORD your God from everlasting to everlasting. Blessed be your glorious name, which is exalted above all blessing and praise. You are the LORD, you alone. You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and all that is on it, the seas and all that is in them; and you preserve all of them; and the host of heaven worships you.’" Nehemiah 9:5-6 ESV

Moreover, the Jewish intertestamental literature gives us an idea of what the Jews believed concerning Yahweh’s providential care of creation. It is rather apparent that the Jews who composed these writings did not think for a moment that God had some creature helping him but believed that Yahweh alone holds all things together by his word:

"Because of him his messenger finds the way, and by his word all things hold together." Sirach 43:26 RSV

And yet, amazingly, the NT says that the Son (yet not to the exclusion of the Father) created and sustains all things by his powerful word, which logically means that Jesus is Yahweh! (At the same time the NT teaches that Christ is not the Father or the Holy Spirit which further implies that there is more than one Person who is Yahweh).

The following syllogism illustrates why there is no way of avoiding the logic of this conclusion:

Yahweh alone created all things.

Christ in his prehuman existence created all things.

Therefore, Christ is Yahweh God.

Here is another way of putting it:

Yahweh is the only One who made all creation.

Christ in his prehuman existence made all creation.

Therefore, Christ is Yahweh God.

Since the Bible affirms both premises the conclusion is therefore inescapable.(1)
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