Is Yahweh breaking an objective moral tenet?

Its possible Jesus was the fullness of God and the only member of the Trinity who incarnated. http://blog.adw.org/2016/12/second-person-trinity-become-incarnate-rather-father-holy-spirit/

 

Christian morals are givens-lying, stealing, lust, greed, sloth, envy, and pride being wrong is common sense.

 

So your god is sustaining all the evil in the world.

Why?

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DL

 

What?

Yahweh shows greed, pride, envy. Yahweh himself, not that he is real, says he is a jealous god, which basically includes the attributes you put.

Do you see Yahweh as a sinner?

I know he admits to being one in Job 2;3, but is that how you see that immoral prick?

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DL

 

"Why Did the Second Person of the Trinity"

How many persons are in the Trinity? --- Persons.

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DL

 

Some people explain it by saying the members of the Godhead are different in role and office and that God is vast.

 

God is self existing, and God being self existent, is vast. The way the Trinity is not polytheism is that the essence, substance, and nature of the three persons is the same. https://www.gotquestions.org/ontological-Trinity.html

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity

 

It's all a matter of choice. Jesus chose or volunteered to be the Savior. And the rest of us choose whether or not to follow him.

 

Yes. Many make up lies about god as they go.

Some even call god a person.

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DL

 

If you know your bible, you will know that Jesus was chosen and did not volunteer.

Eve was correct in eating of the tree of knowledge and rejecting God.

It was God's plan from the beginning to have Adam and Eve eat the forbidden fruit. This can be demonstrated by the fact that the bible says that Jesus "was crucified from the foundations of the Earth," that is to say, God planned to crucify Jesus as atonement for sin before he even created human beings or *******ned sin.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

This indicates that Jesus had no choice.

If God had not intended humans to sin from the beginning, why did he build into the Creation this "solution" for sin? Why create a solution for a problem you do not anticipate?

God knew that the moment he said "don't eat from that tree," the die was cast. The eating was inevitable. Eve was merely following the plan.

This then begs the question.

What kind of God would plan and execute the murder of his own son when there was absolutely no need to?

Only an insane and immoral God. That’s who.

The cornerstone of Christianity is human sacrifice, thus showing it‘s immorality.

One of Christianity's highest form of immorality is what they have done to women. They have denied them equality and subjugated them to men.
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Christians are always trying to absolve God of moral culpability in the fall by whipping out their favorite "free will!", or “ it’s all man’s fault”.

That is "God gave us free will and it was our free willed choices that caused our fall. Hence God is not blameworthy."

But this simply avoids God's culpability as the author of Human Nature. Free will is only the ability to choose. It is not an explanation why anyone would want to choose "A" or "B" (bad or good action). An explanation for why Eve would even have the nature of "being vulnerable to being easily swayed by a serpent" and "desiring to eat a forbidden fruit" must lie in the nature God gave Eve in the first place. Hence God is culpable for deliberately making humans with a nature-inclined-to-fall, and "free will" means nothing as a response to this problem.

If all sin by nature, then the sin nature is dominant. If not, we would have at least some who would not sin. That being the case, for God to punish us for following the instincts and natures he put in us would be quite wrong.

Psalm 51:5 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me."

Having said the above for the God that I do not believe in, I am a Gnostic Christian naturalist, let me tell you that evil is all human generated. Evil is our responsibility.

Much has been written to explain what I see as a natural part of evolution.

Consider.

First, let us eliminate what some see as evil. Natural disasters. These are unthinking occurrences and are neither good nor evil. There is no intent to do evil even as victims are created.

Evil then is only human to human.

As evolving creatures, all we ever do, and ever can do, is compete or cooperate.

Cooperation we would see as good as there are no victims created. Competition would be seen as evil as it creates a victim. We all are either cooperating, doing good, or competing, doing evil at all times.

Without us doing some of both, we would likely go extinct.

This, to me, explains why there is evil in the world quite well.

Be you a believer in nature, evolution or God, we should all see that what Christians see as something to blame, evil, we should see that what we have, competition, deserves a huge thanks for being available to us.

There is no conflict between nature and God on this issue. This is how things are and should be. We all must do what some will think is evil as we compete and create losers to this competition.

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DL

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Evolutionary theology.

 

This is true, but few ever analyse his moral tenets for their morality. When a person does, he will recognize just how immoral some of those are. Especially his no divorce for women and substitutional punishment policies.

Talk morals to Christians and see just how fast they head for the hills.

There are good reasons for Christianity growing through inquisitions. They had no decent moral arguments to convert anyone with. They had strayed too far from their Chrestian and esoteric Jewish roots.

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DL

 

God created people in His image and He decided to come down as a person.

 

That's a lot to digest. So I'll stick with the choice aspect in regards to your OP question. You said the scriptures say that Jesus was chosen, thereby precluding free will or his own input into the matter, as if he were forced. But what you aren't considering is that chosen could also mean chosen from more than one candidate who themselves chose to volunteer to be the Savior. If a job is advertised, and several people apply. Then you choose the one you want to hire for the job. Consequently, being chosen in this case means having authority to act and function on behalf of God the Father who chose him. It is a matter of authority. So Jesus chose to volunteer, and was then chosen and given the authority to act in the Fathers stead as his representative. Sorry if I don't address your multitude of other points and proofs. But I am not a biblical scholar or philosopher. What you say is interesting though. I will think on it DL.

 

He also died, and to be our savior, he must remain dead. Right?

Good riddance to Yahweh your dead genocidal prick of a god, or his half breed chimera son. Neither have the morals of a decent god.

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DL

 

Thanks.

1Peter 1:20 0 He was chosen before the creation of the world, but was revealed in these last times for your sake.

Chosen is not volunteering. Yahweh threw the grenade into the fox hole then threw his own son over it.

Jesus himself said he was doing his father's will and not his own.

What you quote does not refute what I quote, and I have logic and reason on my side.

Let us reason together, without you quoting half the menu at a professional liars site like the Christian site you quote.

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DL

 

Jesus didnt remain dead because He ressurected after three days after paying for the sins of the world.

 

Yahweh is different from Allah. The violence in the Bible isnt the focus, like it is in the Quran. https://creation.com/unfair-to-islam

 

So the sacrifice is annulled by his resurrection. So much for blood sacrifices.

If a blood sacrifice does not stay dead, then there is no sacrifice.

3 days or R & R in hell is nothing, given that Yahweh himself is in hell permanently.

Read your bible instead of copy past and you will agree that that is where he belongs.

Now go away you pathetic man.

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DL

 

Jesus's resurrection doesn't annul his sacrifice. One thing has nothing to do with the other.

 

He does not fit the description of a human sacrifice.

Get a dictionary or remain stupid.

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DL

 

Do I have a format error? Someone told me something about / and my quote brackets.

 

You have a communication and lying problem and don't seem to care.

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DL

 

How do I have a communication error?

 

You lie or bear false witness every time you say anything about any god.

You have nothing first hand and are just passing on lies.

There is no shame in your type of liar.

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DL

 

No need to be calling folks liars - even if they are speaking falsely or in error ... and especially tied to a big generalization " every time you say anything about God"

What is a problem is when some posters say things like "God says this - or God Says that" - as if God had sat down with them for Tea and spoke his thoughts - often sans any biblical support like on questions of abortion.

So for example - the defacto claim "God is against abortion" is a complete falsehood - as this person has no idea what God thinks about abortion.

I would go further and claim that people who make such claims are committing the "Unforgivable sin" - usurping the position of "The Logos" and putting words in God's mouth.