Is Yangs UBI going to work?

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  1. Bluesguy

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    Specifically to your claim that everyone wants to give up their cars and not drive and instead have autonomous cars drive them around. I think you ignore the history of the American automobile industry and market.
     
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    NO there were the tax rates in 2000. Bush got the defict down? He inherited a balanced budget. And Clinton inherited gdp growth? It was a negative in 1991. He beat bush because the economy was in the *******. Do you even go back and look?
     
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    No ****, or those are the only jobs around. So you let a person wallow in poverty because he made a bad choice not to pay attention in school as a teenager.
     
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    That would be wonderful except I never made that statement. My point was that many Americans (I never say everyone or use definitives because of people like you that lose the point completely when those see those words, many — most — a large portion... but never “everyone”) such as the elderly out of necessity and the youth out of convenience and cost will absolutely utilize autonomous services instead of purchasing a vehicle.
    This will decrease the used and new car markets, perhaps significantly.
    Which in turn will decrease jobs in the automobile manufacturing sector, automobile parts supply sector and possibly the insurance sector.

    Please stop lying about my posts because you cannot address them. The dishonesty is tiring.
     
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    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes! They should suffer for eternity because the state forced them to become a parent at 16 and post secondary education was too expensive for them as they couldn’t pay their current bills and go to school.

    They should starve on the street and then be charged with child neglect so the prison industry can get some of that sweet sweet money!


    I really wish this wasn’t the mentality of some one the right, but it is...

    One common item I keep seeing pop up is “I suffered through all of the hardships, why should we help anyone else's life to be easier”.
    It’s greed mixed with some sort of weird revenge.
     
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  6. Bluesguy

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    I think you underestimate the American love affair with their cars. Taxis becoming automated will not increase a need for them.
     
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    Does the youth have the same “love affair with cars” or is that just the older generations you refer to? There are tons of studies and articles showing that this is no longer the case with younger Americans, especial in medium to larger cities and older Americans will likely not be driving at all when automation hits heavily.

    I disagree with your opinion.
     
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    Agreed. I think I did something special with my life. My parents were dead before I got to high school. I dug myself out of a bad place, but I seen plenty who were in my boat not be able to. And it was not just hard work. I have been blessed and I don't see why some feel the need to be so hard on people. $7 per hour is enough.
    kids on food stamps, tuff. Subsidized housing- no way. My only compensation is that there going to meet St Peter one day and they will answer then.
     
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  9. David Landbrecht

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    The war for survival is over and we won. There is no further need (or excuse) to continue to struggle against and subjugate others. All we need to do is fully realize that and then use our creativity to start anew.
     
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    We Canadians are in a position to put a very different slant on this topic due to our Bank of Canada policy from 1938 to 1974....... especially when it is compared with what happened since then.

     
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    If we Canadians can get something going up here that will inspire Canadians to research how the Bank of Canada operated from 1938 to 1974 this could make matters much easier for you Americans. After the election President Trump might just coopt some aspects of the Andrew Yang campaign. (I would not even put it past him to say something during the election if this was all better understood by voters)!


    Would you like to see NINETEEN BILLION dollars each month put into the economy in such a way that it will soon end up back into the treasury as it is taxed back after it turns over two to three times?

    Here is a policy that could give the PPC a major victory in the next federal election. The statistic of seven hundred and ten trillion dollars in the worldwide Derivatives market that is given after the fifteen minute mark in the video means to me that we could be facing a Bear Market, another 1929 so OPTIMISM is the best remedy.

    Five hundred dollars per Canadian per month, can this work?

    I am advocating the usage of the Bank of Canada that is owned by all Canadians to finance giving five hundred dollars per month to all thirty seven million Canadians.

    Would the incidence of Canadian women choosing to have an abortion plummet by a huge percentage? Personally I do think so!

    It will of course mean much more to poorer Canadians than to millionaires........
    but it could be surprising how many stay at home wives with cheap and stingy millionaire husbands who control the purse strings of the home may find this extra five hundred very helpful indeed.

    I suspect that well over eighty percent of of Canadians will spend this money reasonably well and:
    1. enrol their kids in more after school programs.....
    2. begin to purchase a higher percentage of organic produce vs the cheap GMO stuff
    3. purchase a newer car, SUV or half ton truck
    4. do renovations to their homes
    5. hire landscapers to do certain projects on their properties
    6. pay down their debt loads, especially the higher interest ones
    7. buy a new home rather than renting
    8. buy a cottage outside the city so that they can get away for weekends
    9. many will choose to move to rural Canada in order to escape relatively hectic city life
    10. eat at nice restaurants more often

    I suspect that less than ten percent of Canadians will attempt to live off this five hundred dollars / month and simply use it to drink or smoke more.
    To whatever degree this happens the worst cases where these Canadians put themselves and others in danger this can be dealt with by issuing food stamps vs a monthly check.

    I have listened to an audio video over and over again that explains what President Obama did from 2009 - 2014 and I came up with this idea because it is close to being the OPPOSITE to what President Obama did. He gave billions to the top one percent of the top one percent of the INVESTOR CLASS of Americans........ .and if he was expecting a trickle down effect to create jobs..... that certainly DID NOT happen!

    Technically I am also advocating a variation of Quantitative Easing but......
    my plan of sending it to ALL CANADIAN CITIZENS vs sending it pretty much all to INVESTORS.... makes my plan uniquely different.

    Also..... I do have to admit that if Canada's government decided to do one year at two hundred and fifty per month per citizen or legal resident...... this might be a good way to test my program to see how it works and give companies an opportunities to better plan for the shift in the Canadian economy.

    I suspect that this plan will be emulated in the USA shortly after its success in Canada becomes obvious to the majority of us.

    ........ CIA economist Jim Rickards explains what President Obama and his team did from 2009 - 2014 and obviously we need to try something very different than the terribly failed Obama policy of giving billions and billion and billions and billions to the top one percent of the top one percent of the INVESTOR CLASS.... That clearly did not work and DID NOT stimulate the USA Economy so we Canadians should learn from what President Obama did wrong:

    (But there is a catch... we need to create this nineteen billion per month in the same way that Ms. Betty Krawczyk recomments):

    FORGET IRAN, IRAQ, UKRAINE
    THIS IS WHERE WWIII STARTS...
     
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  12. ChristopherABrown

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    Perhaps. But as long as the PURPOSE of free speech is abridged people will not be educated, motivated or unified. Big gov has our futures all to itself.
     
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    Hmmm, amazon paid zero federal tax on $12b. Netflix similar. A number of corps run like this. Corrupt manipulation into such an unfair position and employership destroys the natural relationship.

    It is a transitional thing with luck, into a way to educate for decentralization and maximum independence.
     
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    Interesting but without posting the research, there’s hardly enough to refer to and confirm. Sounds like a counter corruption measure rather than a UBI financed by a VAT.
     
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    My youths do. If I go out and drive around in my town I see all the kids driving their little rice rocket cars or their truck which they have customize. GM has gone out of business in the sedan market because they made vanilla cars that were not exciting to drive.
     
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    Is Yangs UBI going to work?

    Obviously not since it isn't going to happen.
     
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    The point is that the amount of money may be the same, but the items purchased will stimulate the economy more if it was spread out more evenly. One person making 5 mill a year will buy a $20,000 sofa. a $200,000 car. If you put that total spending power divided up to 100 people you get 100 sofas and 100 cars which has a much greater economic impact. He is going to go out and have a $200 bottle of wine and not 20 $10 bottles, A $400 dinner and not 10 $40 dinners. Plus the money that is spent is more likely to be spent in the community where he resides.
     
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    So your plan is to ban expensive high quality items and only allow cheap low quality goods so we buy more of them.
     
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    The history of the automobile is very short, recent and ephemeral. It cannot continue as at present. The taste for overpowered, overweight, enormously inefficient vehicles must evolve or die.
    Having personal transportation is one thing, and entirely possible and sustainable. Grotesque excess is not.
     
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    How about hugely grotesque big screen TV's and 2000 watt surround sound systems to go with them? Having a personal TV is one thing and a 36" with a small speaker would suffice. The taste for these wasteful overpowered, oversized and inefficient systems must evolve or die.

    Shall we discuss personal computers and phones next?
     
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    Nope.
     
  23. ChristopherABrown

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    That was my first impression as well, but then I realized a slow transition might be the only way it could work.

    Nobody has actually addressed how the impacts of job loss from automation will be dealt with.
     
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    No one has to address it because this UBI proposal does nothing to address the impact of job loss from automation. What does a thousand dollars a month do to employee someone?
     
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    People starting labor of love businesses and buying more stuff in almost every UBI experiment that's been done.
     
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