ISIS practices a harsh form of Islam known as "doing what Islam says"

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  1. FreedomSeeker

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    Question: do you think it best that Muslims do not do what Islam says, or else they will end up more and more like ISIS? Or, should they indeed do what Islam says?

    Me, I don't want them to follow ISIS's harsh form of Islam known as "doing what Islam says" (Q5:33, Q4:34, etc.), so no, they should not do what Islam says.

    But what about you?
     
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    Most of the horrible things ISIS does are NOT in the Koran
     
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    Some of it - such as enslavement - is in the Koran and unchallenged by many Muslims who are uncritical of the Koran.
     
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    slavery is also in the Bible
     
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    So then you advocate that they improve the hadith, correct?
    And the bad parts that ARE in the Qur'an, you advocate that they improve those texts as well, correct?
    Before you answer, keep in mind that this is the longest war in US history, with absolutely no end in sight, and the enemy wants nukes, all in an effort to follow the Qur'an (fight us until "all worship is for Allah.")
     
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    That can't possibly be true because Jesus loves everybody so he would have spoken up against slavery (one of the worst moral crimes in human history) many many times. I assume that a Christian forum member can post verses where Jesus clearly, blatantly, said "slavery is dead wrong, the old texts were wrong, work to end slavery w/in the next 30 years!"
    Or am I wrong?

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    And that makes Islam/Mohammad better....how?

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    Wait, that would mean that Mohammad owned slaves. Can that possibly be true??? But I thought Islam was a Religion of Peace, not a Religion of Slavery?

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    Give us 3 examples of ISIS horrors that are not in the Qur'an and not in the hadith. In other words, show us where ISIS is NOT PIOUS. This might be harder than you think, my friend.
     
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    Question: do you think it best that Muslims do not do what Islam says, or else they will end up more and more like ISIS? Or, should they indeed do what Islam says?

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    Question: do you think it best that Muslims do not do what Islam says, or else they will end up more and more like ISIS? Or, should they indeed do what Islam says?

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    Does the Bible approve of beating slaves, since Mohammad did, I'm wondering which is more barbaric, the Bible or Mohammad's example?
     
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    That's irregardless and not my point.

    Please try to reread my post if you want to respond to what I'm saying.
     
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    It would seem that the reason that Christians can't stand up to Islam is that their own texts are equally as immoral, and they lack the moral courage to challenge the immorality in their their own texts, so they are useless in this war against Islam?

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    Is that the only atrocity in the Bible?
     
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    I'm not aware of any mainstream Christian denomination which hasn't critically evaluated problematic passages in the Bible.
     
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    Nonsense, they are intellectual cowards if they don't REMOVE (or create a daily working version) the parts that are horrific and barbaric (kill gays, etc......that's an abomination.) When will they find their moral courage?
     
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    Great thread title - lol - ;)
     
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    When people start to realize the truth, that the The Islamic State represents true Islam, Islam as written, Islam as Mohammad intended, things are going to get very very bad for our Muslim friends in WWIII, around the world and in your town, unfortunately. What will that look like? Camps for Muslims like we had for the enemy in WWII (Japanese), or just what? I don't want them in camps, so what alternatives are there?
     
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    Such as?
     
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    they justify their actions also with the old testament, the temples they destroyed were mentioned in the old testament, to destroy them...


    The right guided Caliphas conquered also Iraq but did not destroy even old religions and christians were able to live and practice their religion during medivial times until today.

    What happened to muslims in Granada or Balkans
     
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    A lot of what "Islam says" is the same as what the Bible says. Good thing no one really does what the bible says anymore.
     
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    Yes, I couldn't imagine being in a religion where the LESS it's followed as written the BETTER that is (Jesus' religion)! Christians, please don't follow your Bible, or gays like Elton John, Anderson Cooper, Ellen D., etc. will be killed in no time.

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    Yes, on this forum I've been constantly saying that the book about Jesus is no better than the book about Mohammad, which is true (if one reads both books with an open mind.)
     
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    Like what?
     
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    The Bible doesn't approve slavery. It sets rules for if you do have them. In fact every seven years you let them free. Back then slavery was a big industry and to outright ban it cold turkey would devastate a nation. So God gave rules on how to treat them. And the way God wanted them to trait them you can hardly consider them slaves. In fact they'll be more in the line of indentured servants.
     
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    http://www.evilbible.com/evil-bible-home-page/slavery/
     
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    That needs to be condemned, as if Modern Secular Humanist teachings said those same horrific things, I'd of course feel a moral obligation to condemn those parts (if I called myself a Modern Secular Humanist - like Muslims call themselves Muslims - which is approval of those texts.)
     
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    Yes, we agree that most religions are evil.
     
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    Note that two people asked Ronstar this question, but in over 1 year he's never been able to answer it....I think he just MADE UP that claim. Simply trying to defend the barbarity in the Islamic texts at all costs. Defending barbarity is not a virtue, Ronstar.
     
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    Just a quick question : you prefer to live in the very muslim Pakistan or the very catholic Poland ? I don't even like christianism, but muslim countries are a hell for religious minorities, women...

    The most perfect man for christian is Jesus. A weird "no sex" guy, which most violent act was to kick out some traders from a temple, he lived his whole life globally pacifically.

    Muhammed in another hand : married a 6 YO, had sex with her at 9 YO, enslaved people, cut the throat of people, destroyed temple, ordered the death of countless people...
    He encouraged to beat women (Muslims will say : but he said do it "with love").

    Muhammed is supposed to be an embodiment of human perfection for muslims. A model for all believers...
     

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