Islam and Islamophobia

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  1. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    OK .. I thought you might be referring to the number killed .. which is obviously way higher than 35000.

    In any case - you are preaching to the choir - I hate Islamist's with a passion. The difference is that I have coherent arguments against the root cause of the problem that will stand the test of scrutiny. You do not.
     
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    No you do not.
    You never read the teachings and deeds of Muhammed.
    You never read the sunnah.
    Every single thing you wrote was wrong.
    You are guessing, and making sh-t up.

    You invented a definition for Islamist.
    You invented a definition for fundamentalist.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I keep hoping for some semblance of rational thought and you keep on failing. Islamist's are about strict adherence to "scripture" - Sharia is part of scripture.

    Bottom line - if someone does not believe in Sharia Law - that person is not an Islamist.

    Again I have to dumb things down to a pre kindergarten level for you.
     
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    yasureoktoo Banned

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    LOLOL

    Trying to backpedal I see.

    sharia is not scripture, it is made from scripture.
    Made from the Qur'an and sunnah.
    I am guessing,
    but 10% Qur'an
    And 90% sunnah.
    Those numbers are probably pretty close.

    You have been failing from the start, and cannot accept responsibility for it.

    You need to learn something about Islam.
    You can say that bullsh-t to your muslim buddies,
    and others who know nothing about the religion.

    But it will not work with anyone who studied the religion.

    Open your friggin eyes.

    I am looking for someone to discuss Islam with, and there are no takers.
    Muslims... who know nothing about their own religion.
     
  5. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I did not invent the definition of an Islamic fundamentalist. You have no clue what you are talking about if you think that belief in Sharia as the Law of the land is not part of being an Islamist.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_fundamentalism
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You can continue to flog a dead horse all you like. This will not change the fact that an essential part of being an Islamist is wanting sharia to be the law of the land.
     
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    Dude, you are still backpedaling,
    An Islamist will want Sharia, but that is not what makes him an Islamist.
    Devotion to scripture is what makes him an Islamist.
    We just looked it up,
    And your invented definition, is not in there.

    You don't even know anything about Islamic scripture,
    Why are you even talking.
     
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    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    ?????? So torturing heretics is Christian Doctrine but not working Sundays is not Christian Doctrine? Not following the logic.
     
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    AND you can flog all you like and it wont change the fact that the Koran and Hadiths require shariah to be the law of the land.
     
  10. Giftedone

    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That is what I have been flogging ! It is Yas that can't seem to figure this out - despite claiming to be a know it all in relation to Islam.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I am not backpedaling form my claim at all. My claim was - and has always been - that an Islamist wants Sharia to be the law of the land.

    Devotion to scripture =

    As per Dixon:
    and include Sunnah so you don't freak out and start to whine like a child.

    What is mindless nonsense is that you actually agree with my claim in your post .. and then go on some demonization rant about me not knowing anything about Islamic scripture - as if this (right wrong or otherwise) changes the fact that my claim in relation to Islam - the claim I have been making from the beginning .. is true and you agree that it is true.

    You have issues dude.
     
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    LOLOLOLO


    That's backwords.

    Sharia, requires the Qur'an and Hadiths,
    That is what it is made from.
    Sharia was written long after the Qur'an and Hadiths.

    Not the other way around.
     
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    No it was not, Yes an Islamist will want Sharia,, but it is not what makes him an Islamist.

    Devotion to scripture, is what makes him an Islamist.
     
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    Devotion to scripture requires implementation of sharia law = a desire to implement sharia law is at least part (and in reality a large part) of what makes him an Islamist.
     
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    LOLOL

    You can spin it all you want, but it will not change.
    Look up Islamist,
    I know you invented your own definition, but it is no good.
    It has nothing to so with sharia.
    Islamist is devotion to scripture.
    Sure they will want Sharia, But most Muslims want sharia, and they are not all Islamist.

    You can keep repeating your bullsh-t all you want, but it will not change.
    Islamist has nothing to do with Sharia law.
    Sharia law has nothing to do with Islamist.

    Sure they will accompany each other, somewhat, but they are not in the requirements.
     
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    I did look up Islamist and gave you a quote stating that Islamist's want sharia law implemented.

    You then admitted exactly what I have been saying all along - An Islamist wants implementation of Sharia Law.

    You trying to avoid logic and reason. Devotion to scripture has a whole lot to do with sharia. You need to stop reading Islamic religious texts and learn the basics of logic.
     
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    No you did not

    You made up bullsh-t all along

    anyone can read the last few pages, and your stock went down, down, down.

    You should have admitted it when you were first proven wrong,
    and people may respect your opinion.

    You don't know a fu-king thing about Islamic scripture,
    You should not even be in this discussion.
     
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    Is·lam·ist


    Does not say one thing about sharia law.



    [ˈizlaməst]
    NOUN
    Islamists (plural noun)
    1. an advocate or supporter of Islamic militancy or fundamentalism.
      "radical Islamists"
    ADJECTIVE
    1. relating to, advocating, or supporting Islamic militancy or fundamentalism.
      "hardline Islamist groups" · "Islamist ideology"
     
  19. dixon76710

    dixon76710 Well-Known Member

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    Of course, he would consider himself to be a Muslim. Islamist is a western concept created to distinguish those who follow the doctrine of the Koran and hadiths from those who do not. Would seem to make more sense to label those who follow the Koran and hadiths as muslims and those who do not follow the Koran and hadiths but merely identify as muslims, as Islamists. Or a more appropriate term would be Islamic fundamentalist.
     
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    It depends who is issuing the term.

    If you are not following the Qur'an and hadiths like the conquering army, you're dead meat.
     
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    Actually - Islamic Fundamentalist and Islamist mean nearly the same thing. Islamist's tend to be a bit more militant in relation to wanting sharia law to be the law of the land but, IMO - those that support sharia law as the law of the land are the same - or nearly the same as the militants.

    Both hate individual liberty and want to enforce Tyranny on the people through physical violence.

    This is why I distinguish between Muslims who are for Sharia Law and those who are not. This is the dividing line between good and evil.
    It is the difference between 1) having a belief and 2) forcing that belief on others through physical violence.

    I agree that respect for individual liberty and that authority of Gov't coming from "we the people" as opposed to "Divine Right" are Western Concepts. This came out of the enlightenment.

    This concept however spread over much of the world. The term Islamist serves to separate those who agree with this concept and those who do not.

    In retrospect this term is problematic because it infuses religion into the equation. We then have people crying "this is a religious test".

    In fact it is not a religious test. Either one has respect for individual liberty or one does not - I do not care whether this is due to a religious belief or a belief in pure socialism. What difference does it make.

    This is why I keep stressing this argument to you and Yas. I realize 100% that the reason these Islamists/Fundamentalists hate individual liberty for religious reasons.

    If these people want to observe sharia on a personal basis that is fine - have your stupid religion - keep it but, keep it to yourself. If you do not like alcohol because you think God doesn't like it ... don't drink.

    As soon as you want to force me not to drink (through physical violence-Law) on the basis of religious belief - now we have a problem.

    My argument does not focus on religion and therefor it can not be condemned by any of the standard PC condemnation methods. It is not a religious test. My argument does not say that because someone is a Muslim that person is evil. I do not group all people who call themselves Muslims into the same category. I do not attribute the evil deeds and thoughts of some (most in fact) Muslims to all Muslims.

    My category is very specific. Either one has respect for individual liberty or one does not. Either one gets the difference between 1) having a belief (religious or otherwise) and 2) forcing that belief on others ... or one does not.
     
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    You are still not letting go.
    Sharia has nothing to do with this.
    Yes, many muslims, Islamist and moderate, ( No Pacifists)
    Want Sharia.

    Your argument focuses on sharia law, which is not a part of this equation.
    You need to let go, and move onward.

    A few quick facts.
    Islam and radicle Islam, are one and the same.
    The religion is about rob, rape, and kill, and enslave.
    It infuriates me to get someone arguing about Islam, who has never even read the religion.
    Peaceful Muslims have hijacked the religion.
    But that is good, abit temporary, but good.
    Most Muslims have never even read the sunnah.
    and you can't learn anything about the religion by reading the Qur'an.


    Muslims, and Islam are two different things
     
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