Islam and Violence

The history of Islamic violence towards outsiders and insiders mirrors that of the other two Abrahamic faiths, Judaism and Christianity. The two latter faiths took almost 1700 to 1800 years to slow down and cease the blood shed. Islam is right on schedule, it seems to me.

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Islam is more stridently monotheistic and thus intolerant and incapable of ecumenicism.
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No, it’s no more prone to this than other faiths.

No, you’re seeing a small sample size that the media blows up.

Yes, US foreign policy interventions have radicalized the bulk of global Islam.

Yes, it seems to be more backward on issues like homosexuality, gender, etc

No, the “radicalism” you see is driven mostly by poor educational and economic realities s

 

I do believe humanism and atheism are greater threats to mankind that 'radical' Islam.

 

None of the above options.

First thing first: Islam is far from being monolithic. There are four main Sunni schools of jurisprudence, three major Shia sects (the Twelver Shia are currently in power in Iran), Ahmadiyya, Alawi, Ibadiyah in North Africa, Sufi, and many smaller sects within the major schools. There's no highest religious authority in Islam. someone like a Pope or Patriarch.

The Muslim world is mostly tribal, except for Turks and Iranians. Some North African states seem to be closer to nationhood, while Middle Eastern Arabs are still very much divided along sectarian and tribal lines. That's why Iraq, Libya, and Syria fell apart so quickly following upheavals, while Algeria, Tunisia and Egypt remain relatively unscathed.

The primitive tribal mentality is not unique to Islam, of course. It's rather the other way around - some interpretations of Islam are rather radical because those interpreting it are themselves prisoners of a primitive tribal mindset. Individual freedoms, for instance, are anathema to tribal societies, a threat to the traditional way of life necessary for the survival of the group.

Political Islam - usually called radical Islam or Islamism - is a combination of totalitarian ideology and religious fanaticism. Its power over minds and hearts comes from its nationless, stateless status, making it a haven and a refuge for the frustrated, the inadaptable, the idealist, the religious zealot, all those who think that the society they live in is the source of their unhappiness. It gives them purpose, hope, and means to achieve something in both life and afterlife. Poor education and economic realities have very little, if any, to do with radicalization. British Universities are a case in point.

Radical Islam is dangerous not because it rejects individual freedoms, democracy, and homosexuality. It's basically a death cult, whose adherents worship a bloodthirsty God who demands human sacrifices of both non-believers and his own flock. Radicalized Muslims are building for themselves stairways to heaven from our dead bodies. This is not something we can put up with, learn to live with, or tolerate in any way, ever.

More on radical Islam here:
https://ctc.usma.edu/the-salafi-jihad-as-a-religious-ideology/

 

The Reformation simply returned Christianity to it's roots. Jesus never harmed anyone, nor did He tell anyone to, unlike the bloody 'Prophet'. Christians did their crimes in spite of the teachings of Jesus, Jihadists do so because of the example of their founder. Not much Bin Laden did that Muhammed didn't do.

You're blaming the victim, Islamic terror has been around 1,400 years, long before there was a US or Israel.

Why is it so many Muslim nations are poor and uneducated? Inbreeding doesn't help I'm sure.

 

Where are all the Buddhist bombers?

 

http://www.ncregister.com/blog/astagnaro/a-short-history-of-buddhist-violence-against-christians

 

"You're blaming the victim, Islamic terror has been around 1,400 years, long before there was a US or Israel."

Yes, that was noted, as was the millennia plus bloody past of the Jews and the Christians, killing one another and others in the name of religion.

"Why is it so many Muslim nations are poor and uneducated? Inbreeding doesn't help I'm sure." This is flame baiting. Go to rural Wales, Italy, France, Alabama, and note how many people look like each other.

 

Flame baiting. We are talking about the Abrahamic faiths.

 

Where did Jesus say to do that? You don't judge a philosophy by its misuse.

No it isn't, its fact. See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...essor-Steve-Jones-warns-inbreeding-risks.html

"Studies have shown that 55 per cent of British Pakistanis are married to first cousins – and in Bradford, this rises to 75 per cent."

https://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/01/...&gwh=749B53069A07B1B4297FA92031165C9A&gwt=pay

https://www.intellectualtakeout.org...ge-problem-and-people-dont-want-talk-about-it

Note about half the Arab Muslim world is inbred, and it is prevalent in non-Arab Muslim nations. Muhammad married his cousin to his daughter.

From the above link:

"In fact, cousins are not even considered blood relatives in the Islamic tradition because the Qur'an does not forbid or condemn marriage between cousins. Here is what is said in chapter 4, verse 23of the religious text:

“Prohibited to you (For marriage) are:- Your mothers, daughters, sisters; father's sisters, Mother's sisters; brother's daughters, sister's daughters; foster-mothers (Who gave you suck), foster-sisters; your wives' mothers; your step-daughters under your guardianship, born of your wives to whom ye have gone in,- no prohibition if ye have not gone in;- (Those who have been) wives of your sons proceeding from your loins; and two sisters in wedlock at one and the same time, except for what is past; for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.”

So start another thread about those places, this one's about Islam.

 

Of course you judge a philosophy by its misuse as well as its use.

That Jesus was non-violent does not excuse the bloody violence of Christianity right into the latter parts of the 18th century.

Refusing to accept the familial intermarriage throughout Europe into the Americas is certainly part of this thread, BECAUSE you brought this up. Jews interbred as well through the millennia.

The issue is about Islam and violence. I predict it will continue for some time, just like it did with Christianity and Judaism.

 

I see you're not too up to date on anything.
Judism hasn't been doing anything. for a long time, Biblical times,
Christianity just happened to be the religion of the advanced people with the boats and guns,
But hardly a reason for the crap you are trying to spread.
Besides the crimes of Christianity are the fault of the powers in charge, and not the religion.
Islam has been on a rampage for 1400 years, and it is the written religion, and the deeds of Muhammed, that dictates the behavior.
And it is not going to stop until they are squashed.

 

I condemn that activity, as Jesus would. Do you really think Muhammad would condemn AQ and ISIS?

Lev. 18, 20, and Deuteronomy prohibit incest, unlike Islam that encourages it, with the devastating results we see today. How exactly do people who ignore what the Bible says on a subject relevant to what the Bible says on that subject?

See above.

It will forever as long as the cancer of Islam exists, given its founder and holy book encourage it, unlike the Founder of Christianity.

 

Islam has only ever been stopped by force. Coexist stickers won't cut it.

 

If he were alive today, he would be running them.

 

Being neither a Muslim nor a Christian who should I admire more? Muslims who commited violence because Mohammed commanded it, or Christian who've committed violence in spite of what Jesus taught?

 

Why??

 

It's fun to draw the flame baiters out where the mods can watch them.

The issue is how long will the violence take to die out in Islam. It took about 2000 years each for sister faiths Christianity and Judaism.

 

I see you simply cannot understand anything.

It cannot die out with Islam, it is part of the religion.
why can't you grasp that.
How many times were you told about it.

 

Violence was part of Judaism and Christianity. The Macabees et al were purifying the 'holy land' as late as the second century BCE, including murdering babies. We know what 'Christians' were doing to the 'enemies of Christ' as late the 18th century.

Ad homming me does not stop the truth of what I have written.

I estimate that it will take several hundred more years for Islam to breed it out of its system.

 

Or he would be wearing an ankle bracelet.

 

You're missing the elephant in the room, Christianity promotes no violence, probably why you don't see hardly any Christian violence today, Islam assuredly does.

 

They can't rewrite what was dictated by God. As the president of Turkey said, there is no moderate Islam, there is only Islam.

 

So you admit you have no idea whatsoever what you are talking about.

 

For the love of Pete, cite where Jesus or NT writers sanctioned violence, put up or shut up.

Wishful thinking, and if it rained in the Sahara you could grow tomatoes there. Europe as we know it won't exist in several hundred years the way things are going with growing Muslim populations.

 

I don't think forum rules include that we must promote the PC lie of multiculturalism, the myth that says all religions and cultures are the same.