Isn't Equality Ultimately in Women's best Interests?

YOU: "Liberals want everyone to be exactly identical in every way"


UH, NO, that would be you , YOU say everyone should be exactly like you.......and anyone different should have their rights taken away...because they are NOT identical to you



What's a "proper" family structure if it isn't wanting all families to be exactly alike?











"YOU want everyone to be exactly identical in every way" while accusing others of the same thing....

 

No more than feminists support a woman killing hers.

Under the current law, yes. But I am suggesting a more fair system, under which a woman who, against the wishes of the man, would keep her child as her own, just as if she had gone to a sperm bank.

All you're saying here is that since men know that the law is unfair to them, they should accept that unfairness. I'm sure somebody in the 70s said something similar about women.

If I did, I wouldn't be okay with aborting that person in any case.

 

HEY! This isn't the "god" forum....preach in the religion forum.........here facts should be used...

 

I believe it is against the law to kill a child. Perhaps you should educate yourself and learn the difference between a zygote and a child. If only you cared about children as much as you do about embryos

Why is the system unfair? Is it not his child? We are not talking about an anonymous sperm donor. Before she gets the sperm she agrees there is no parental responsibility .

You keep saying the law is unfair to men as though they are idiots. What is unfair? That they cant walk away from a child they created? Neither can she once it’s born, I thought you cared about children.....I guess not once their born.

 

What were you left out of? I know, damn all those top colleges that let women in now. Congress and the Supreme Court let my gender in. Medical and law schools include my gender now. And it was so much better when married women couldn’t get credit in their own names And all those women on tv news loved the good old days when they were left out. And those nasty females got you equal pay...so tell us why you were left out of...sir

 

Nothing perfect but I'll take the 50's over today. I'd give up the dishwashers, microwaves [ which I don't and never have owned } spin washers etc,etc,etc, for a good ol safe n-hood to live in today. I didn't mind feeding clothes through a wringer or hand washing dishes. Hell I didn't even mind drawing water when the pump went out ,well yea I did when it was real cold.

We used to wash clothes in the creek one time I was washing Lords Last Supper wall rug over a rock in the creek and singing ' stomp the bread but don't stomp the wine ' [ a song I made up ] and mama said I was going to get the hell beat out of me for blashemy. And two Trump sized Moccasins came out from under it right in my face. Mama was a Calamity Jane wanna be and real good with her pearl handle 38 S&W. She said don't move! I already knew growing up what to do. She shot one and the other one came for her. She killed both of them and I didn't get a beating.

 

Jesus, what a stock response. I never said I "cared about embryos" (I'm probably too jaded to care b/c I grew up in the abortion-on-demand death culture). I said that IF I DID CARE, I wouldn't want them aborted. But you have these canned responses to an argument that isn't being made. The mindless "hey hey, ho ho" chanters just don't know how to handle things if they go off-script.

Why is the system unfair? Because, after the act of sex, women get 100% of the choice, and men get none. Furthermore, that choice puts the man in a state of indentured servitude for 18 years. And you want to pretend that men have all the power. This staggeringly hypocritical double standard, while claiming victimhood in all things, makes me believe that you must know you're just running a con. There is absolutely no compromise with you people; even if I say you get the final choice ALWAYS, that still isn't good enough for you if you can't force men to finance that choice.

 

He's Right...

This is an OP ED piece I wrote



“Today, the average full-time working woman earns just 77 cents for every dollar a man earns…in 2014, that’s an embarrassment. It is wrong.”
–President Obama, remarks on equal pay for equal work, April 8, 2014

Liberals believe stupid things because they believe completely in things in the complete absence of evidence in the presence of overwhelming contradictory evidence, even, and The Wage Gap is an excellent example of this.

Normally you’ll always find these three statistics in every single study you read: a mean, a standard deviation, and confidence intervals. However, a study exists on the wage gap that’s so good it doesn’t have confidence intervals. Normally a study will calculate confidence intervals because they tell you how likely population statistics are within a certain margin of error of the sample you actually took based on that samples size. However this study was so inclusive there was no need to calculate population parameters like confidence intervals, because the sample in this study is the entire population. This study is that good. The study titled tiled “An analysis of the reasons for the disparity between the wages of men and women” was prepared for The United States Department of Labor Employment Standards Division in 2009 by the CONSAD research corporation.

The 2009 study for the United States Department of Labor Employment Standards Division found that all but 5% of the 22% wage gap is explained by choices made by the genders and there’s no evidence to suggest the remaining 5% is the result of discrimination. In fact evidence suggests the remaining 5% gap is the result of more choice namely the Researchers at CONSAD believe the 5% gap is the result of women choosing more compensation in the form of non-wage benefits but the Researchers at CONSAD couldn’t quantify this factor because of the limitations of their model, namely multivariate regression analysis.

When there is a high R value (coefficient of correlation) between dependent variables in multivariate regression analysis the results can’t be quantified because there is said to be collinearity. Basically, when there is collinearity, you can’t tell what’s influencing what. Is the dependent variable, benefits, being influencing by the independent variable, gender, or is the dependent variable being influenced by another dependent variable in the model? However, it’s possible that the remaining 5% is the result of more choice that just couldn’t be quantified statistically. In a forward to the CONSAD study Charles E. James, SR, Deputy Assistant Secretary For Federal Contract Compliance wrote:

Although additional research in this area is clearly needed, this study leads to the unambiguous conclusion that the differences in the compensation of men and women are the result of a multitude of factors and that the raw wage gap should not be used as the basis to justify corrective action. Indeed, there may be nothing to correct. The differences in raw wages may be almost entirely the result of the individual choices being made by both male and female workers


Even though it’s almost been entirely proven that the wage gap is the result of choice, not discrimination, liberals insist on blaming the consequences of women’s choices and actions on men. For example, Barack Obama also insinuated a 22% wage gap exists that’s the result of discrimination in his 2013 and 2014 State of the union addresses. [5]

Some of the pay gap can be explained by what the genders tend to choose to study at university. For example, men are much more likely to study STEM (science technology engineering and math). For instance, in a paper by Andresse St. Rose titled “STEM Major Choice and the Gender Pay Gap” she found in 2007 women earned 17 percent of Bachelors degrees in engineering, compared to earning 79 percent of Bachelors degrees in education. In 2006 women earned only 20 percent of Bachelor degrees in physics, computer science, and engineering.[2] In a 2007 paper by Dey and Hill titled Behind the Gender Pay Gap they found STEM degrees tend to have higher salaries than their peers with degrees in other disciplines. For example, one year after graduation, an education major working full time earned, on average, about 60 percent as much as an engineering major working full time ($525 versus $851 per week)[3] Despite earning most of the degrees in post-secondary education women are choosing not to major in subjects that result in them being qualified for the lucrative careers that men are more likely to be qualified for when they graduate, and according to Liberals this is men’s fault? If liberals believe in equality then shouldn’t they believe women should be equally accountable for the consequences of their actions and choices as men? Blaming men for the consequences of your actions and choices is not accountability.

For decades, liberals have claimed that discrimination blocks women from landing academic positions in STEM fields. However a paper published online by the National Academy of Sciences by Wendy M Williams and Stephen J. Cecil titled National Hiring experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference For Women on STEM Tenure Track found that in experiments with professors from 371 colleges and universities across the United States that science and engineering faculty actually preferred women two-to-one over identically qualified male candidates for assistant professor positions. [4]

If you’re preferred 2:1, you’re not being discriminated against. Some people might even suggest a 1:1 preference of identically qualified candidates would be equality and a 2:1 preference for women over identically qualified male candidates is actually an indication of discrimination against men, not women.


Bibliography



[1] CONSAD Research Corporation 2009. “An Analysis of Reasons for the Disparity in Wages Between Men and Women” Prepared for The United States Department of Labor Employment Standards Administration Accessed August 23, 2015. http://www.consad.com/content/report...l Report.pdf

[2] Andresse St. Rose 2010. “STEM major choice and the gender pay gap” On Campus with Women
http://archive.aacu.org/ocww/volume3....cfm?section=1

[3]Dey, J. G., and C. Hill. 2007. Behind the pay gap. Washington, DC: AAUW Educational Foundation
National Association of Colleges and Employers. 2009. Salary survey

[4] Stephen J. Cecil and Wendy M. Williams, “National Hiring Experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference For Women on STEM Tenure Track,” Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, http://www.news.cornell.edu/stories/...ulty-positions

[5] Glenn Kessler,” President Obama’s persistent ’77-cent’ claim on the wage gap gets a new Pinocchio rating,” The Washington Post, April, 9th, 2014, The Washington Post, https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...occhio-rating/

 

So you believe that inequality that happened decades ago was unfair?

How about this inequality that is happening today?

For decades, liberals have claimed that discrimination blocks women from landing academic positions in STEM fields. However a paper published online by the National Academy of Sciences by Wendy M Williams and Stephen J. Cecil titled National Hiring experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference For Women on STEM Tenure Track found that in experiments with professors from 371 colleges and universities across the United States that science and engineering faculty actually preferred women two-to-one over identically qualified male candidates for assistant professor positions. [4]

 

You and your canned answers ...like the”abortion on demand death culture”...sounds so scarrrrrry
Yep, women get 100% after the man implants his seed . Come on, I bet they even knew that. Are men so stupid to not know when they ejaculate there is a good chance they will create their own child? Is he so stupid not to know he will be responsible for his child? Talk about “ victimhood”..man and woman create a child...he doesnt have to go through damage to his body, sickness, uncomfortable visits to drs , having to buy all new clothes. Not to mention the agony of childbirth and then being responsible for 18years...she has to finance that choice as well... so let me ask, who should have the final say? It can on,y be one person. Men get off quite easy.

 

Notice how Renee did not address my posts-lol

Feminists have a victim "narrative" and they disregard any evidence that does not fit the narrative- just like conspiracy theorists.

 

Again, using the fact that the inequality is known to exist to justify the inequality. Jeez, those women in the 1800s knew they couldn't vote, so what was their problem when elections happened and they couldn't participate? They already knew that.

Oh, so you're going to use biology to justify inequality? I can do that too. If we are going to be logically consistent (something I know you will never do), since we know that women are, in the aggregate, physically weaker than men, and need more time off than men due to pregnancies (all biological fact), we know that women as a whole simply cannot and do not perform "equal work", so they don't deserve equal pay. You feminists always want to have it both ways. Where biology favors you, you retain the advantage, and it's oh so righteous to do so; where biology disadvantages you, you want society to take up the slack and give you an equal outcome.

 

Feminists want women to be paid more for doing less work.

Feminists blame men for the consequences of Women's bad choices.

Did you take notice of how Renee blames men for getting paid less than a man who is an engineer because she chose to study education?

Somehow Renee's bad choices are Men's fault. They aren't Renee's fault.

 

I did address your post. But now I think all the boys from the insecure boys club are starting to bully ...so cu

lol..you’re too funny. Yes that’s our mantra pay women more for doing less work. I think that comes after let’s castrate all men (sarcasm alert)
You have no idea what the expression comparable work means. Actually women are now being admitted into engineering schools and we are losing the best and brightest teachers. But I guess I did make a good choice, I married a bond trader on Wall Street when there were no women in those positions. He would be the first one to tell you that he would not have gotten where he was had he not been a white male. He retired in his forties. He got paid so much more than I did but I love my work so much more than he did. As he said he got paid for making money for his company and I got paid for changing lives. He saw whose life work was more valuable

 

Yeah you chose to study education and as a result you made less money than your husband who chose to study Finance. You made less money than your husband as a result of your choices, not as a result of discrimination.

Your husband didn't make more money than you because he is a white male. He made more money than you as a result of his choices.

And you never addressed this post:

So you believe that inequality that happened decades ago was unfair?

How about this inequality that is happening today?

For decades, liberals have claimed that discrimination blocks women from landing academic positions in STEM fields. However a paper published online by the National Academy of Sciences by Wendy M Williams and Stephen J. Cecil titled National Hiring experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference For Women on STEM Tenure Track found that in experiments with professors from 371 colleges and universities across the United States that science and engineering faculty actually preferred women two-to-one over identically qualified male candidates for assistant professor positions. [4]

 

Notice how Renee denied women's violence.

Women's violence threatens the victim paradigm on which modern Feminism is based and is therefore denied and suppressed by Feminists.

Notice how Renee does not care about the sentencing gap, an inequality that on the surface seems to benefit women, yet she cares a great deal about the Wage Gap, an inequality she believes hurts women.

Feminism is not an equality movement.

A real equality movement would care about inequalities effecting everyone, not just one gender.

 

My husband was a 10th grade dropout and I was a college graduate. He started as a back office clerk and because he was a white male he was given the opportunity to go down on the trading floor, something women could not do. He is the first one to tell you that. I love the way you miss the point that women dominated profession’s are paid less. Do you think a teacher is as important to this country as an accountant? I am not saying accountants should earn less I am just saying teachers should earn more and they are. My daughter is a high school counselor and is making close to $100,000. And teachers getting pay raises didn’t just happen in a vacuum ,it took a movement

 

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If you think it is unfair do something about it. Why do you want me to fight your battles? The sentencing gap is a lot less important to me than women losing reproductive freedom. You’re just too dependent on women that you can’t even handle an issue and take action

 

And you STILL have not addressed this question:

Once Again, Sigh...

So you believe that an inequality that happened decades ago was unfair?

How about this inequality that is happening today?

For decades, liberals have claimed that discrimination blocks women from landing academic positions in STEM fields. However a paper published online by the National Academy of Sciences by Wendy M Williams and Stephen J. Cecil titled National Hiring experiments Reveal 2:1 Faculty Preference For Women on STEM Tenure Track found that in experiments with professors from 371 colleges and universities across the United States that science and engineering faculty actually preferred women two-to-one over identically qualified male candidates for assistant professor positions. [4]

 

See, I told you...

Feminism is not an equality movement because when there is an inequality that effects men at their best

at their very best, feminists don't care and at their worst feminists look at inequalities effecting men as victories for women.

How can a movement say it stands for 'equality' when it looks at inequalities as victories???

Renee cares a great deal about an inequality in STEM that effected women decades ago, however.

HOWEVER

When there is an inequality in STEM affecting men TODAY at her very best she doesn't care

At her very best

THAT IS NOT EQUALITY.

 

A thought experiment:

Can a 1/4 ton pickup do as much work as a 1/2 ton pickup?

Can a winch rated at 10,000 pounds do equal work to a winch rated at 15,000 pounds?

Oh, and in addition, imagine that the 1/4 ton pickup and the 10,000 pound winch also broke down more often, and so put fewer hours into working.

And then we've got some ideologues insisting that all pickups and all winches must sell for the same price.

 

Oh I will not fight for Women’s causes anymore.....because not only the men Not equal, they’re so oppressed. Just look at the power structure.how is STEM hurting men? Are they not being hired anymore? I think you just have victim envy. Being victimized was one there wasn’t a woman in the field because they were denied access to the best engineering schools etc.

 

Using your analogy. The 1/4 ton truck is smaller and gets into a place where the 1/2ton is too big and can’t fit it....so it picks up nothing

 

Getting off on lesbians comes from a sexist place though because surely we lesbians need a man to finish the job. The most uncomfortable conversations I've tried to remove my self from have been from straight guys about me being a lesbian. One time I had a complete stranger come up to a friend of mine and I, not my girlfriend even just another lesbian friend, and say that we must not have been with the right guy before. That if he had a few minutes with us we'd realize what we were missing etc. It was totally gross and ignorant, not to mention super awkward since she and I were not together. That kind of crap happens all the time. You tell someone, sorry no thank you I'm gay, and they get this nasty look on their face like that's the best news they've ever heard. Gross.

 

1) Feminists want women to be paid the same for equal work. Quit putting words in our mouths and fricking listen.
2) Feminists blame sexists for saying crap like "women's bad choices"
3) The whole problem is that people who study education are paid less BECAUSE historically that was a female dominated industry. Look around, female dominated industries are paid way less... that is not a coincidence.
4) What bad choices has Renee made?

I recently left the world of banking after 15 years. There was one woman in upper management while I was there, zero women on the board and one woman shareholder out of about 50. Can you explain that? Some industries are truly male dominated, not because men work harder, make better choices or are more talented, but because the good old boys still leave women out and unfortunately they still dominate the decision making positions.