Israel attack Gazan tunnel dug into its territory

An attack tunnel that was dug from Gaza into Israel was found and blown up.
The attack took place on Israeli soil.
At the time of the explosion several Islamic Jihad commanders were visiting it.
as a result about 10 Jihad Islamic terrorists were killed and more than 10 wounded, including some commanders.
It is about time those Gazans leaders stop use the aid money, the whole world send them, for stupid attempts to harm Israel and spend them to better the life of the population.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/pales...ead-9-injured-as-israel-blows-up-gaza-tunnel/

 

At the moment I know nothing of this incident, bar what the Times says and part of that is that it raises tensions. I have particular concerns as I have come across talk of once again 'mowing the lawn' in Gaza and there appears to be at the moment a definite rise in provocation to get Hamas to respond as there was before the 2014 attack. This is even more concerning when, as then, we have Fatah and Hamas on the verge of a working unity deal. I believed that was the reason for the 2014 war - that is that Fatah and Hamas had agreed a unity deal and that this was accepted by both the US and the EU and would have put massive pressure on Israel to start genuine negotiations. The current situation has a similar feel to it. Israel always uses as her excuse of moving the lawn of the Palestinian people that it is self defence. Hence there is generally provocation to Hamas until Hamas feels it must respond in some way and it is that response which is always reported by Israel and Western Governments as 'self defence' for Israel attacking and destroying Gaza, totally ignoring the Israeli provocation and previous attacks.

your link.

To give a further example of this provocation we have the attempted assassination at the weekend of Hamas's security chief

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/237333

At the same time the people of Israel have been getting a false account of the attitude of the new Hamas leader which would suggest they are being 'softened up' to support another devastating assault on a people currently living under the most dire conditions.

What Hamas’ Leader in Gaza Really Said About War With Israel

So my suspicion is that what is going on now is laying the ground work for another brutal attack on Gaza and the reason at this time being as in 2014 their move towards a unity government which could result in pressure on Israel to come to a negotiated settlement rather than simply to annex 62% of the West Bank and declare Jerusalem the undivided Capital of Israel which is her current intention.

Municipal road to Greater Israel

 

Israeli should fill it at both ends with fast-drying cement - preferably when the Hamas scum are inside doing their evil deeds.

 

Great post, IMO.

It seems clear that the Israeli government's plan is to keep goading Hamas into terrorist attacks against Israel - and use that as international justification to keep pressure on the Gaza Strip.

Ever since Sharon visited the Temple Mount (to try and start the Second Intifada), this seems to be Israels' leadership goal.

Pathetic, though it is.

It is so sad. Israel once had the admiration of most of the world (including mine). And now they are very slowly turning into the Apartheid of the Middle East...international pariahs.

 

Do you ever try to read what you write ?

Digging a tunnel into Israel is a terrorist action and casus belli, so who is goading whom ?

A Jew visiting the Temple mount, wow this is really something we must not allow, is it ?
Do you hear yourself, believing that propaganda bullshit ? The attack on Israel was pre-planned, Sharon was the excuse and a way to incite the idiots.

Yes, is it sad, the double standard, and thinking everybody else is so stupid to accept that propaganda BS.

 

As if goading is needed. Im sure these were peace tunnels they were digging!!! At least this was underground and out of camera view. Otherwise they would surround themselves with women and children to get those pallywood images.

At lease there is still one strip of land in the region where it is safe to be Jewish, Christian, Muslim, gay or to have your own opinion.

 

I have tried to find out more about this. The first thing I came upon was that Israel is terrorising the people of Gaza by threatening to blow up tunnels which it claims are under their houses.

This is from yesterday

https://972mag.com/idf-using-facebook-to-threaten-to-destroy-gaza-familys-home/130443/

So it looks like Israel can just claim a tunnel is somewhere and use that as an excuse to bomb an area of Gaza. That article points out that while the people threatened have moved out not everyone can afford to do this. The IDF can also do this bombing or droning without providing any evidence - and Gaza just has to take it. If Gaza fights back then Israel will destroy anything that is left - and Gaza is dying. Gaza has in no way recovered from 2014 when Israel brought it back to the stone age and killed over 2,000 people leaving tens of thousands with life changing injuries. Gaza is hell. It is not fit for human habitation but the people must take being terrified or being droned or worse will come and then, god help us, they will be held responsible.

The next thing we can look at is whether these tunnels really are a threat to the civilians of Israel. In 2014 all the tunnels which were found going into Israel had military targets contrary to what Israel press said. Well now we have the IDF admitting they are not necessarily dangerous although they are blowing them up while blowing up other things in Gaza.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/sayin...threat-idf-head-admits-hitting-them-from-air/

So we have a situation now where Hamas and Fatah are in the final stages of unity. That was almost certainly the reason for the 2014 attack. So at the weekend there is an assassination attempt on Hamas's chief of security and a couple of days later 5 people have been killed and 12 injured. Was there even a tunnel, I do not know but the people I see being terrorised and killed are the people of Gaza. I suspect Israel is hoping to repeat history, keep attacking and killing till Hamas must fire back then god help the defenceless people of Gaza who even before this begins are living in hell. It is not for no reason that Israelies say 'go to Gaza' like we say 'go to hell' but they said that when Gaza was in no way the hell it has been left in, basically unfit for human habitation since Israel's last onslaught.

 

Ah, walls. We, too, can look forward to an endless tunnel hunt if THE WALL is ever completed. I think they already tunnel with what we have now, in fact.

 

Israels numbers are 5 killed 12 injured, Hamas says 8 killed 13 injured.....all these lives taken for a tunnel which the IDF admits was no threat.

read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.819911

 

Nice twisted way of looking at the situation, and a pretty convoluted excuse for an attack tunnel.

 

I am amazed .
The tunnel did not pose any danger ????? hahahahaha
Palestinian bedouins built it to carry chocolates and sweets ?
Give us a break.
The Gazans will stay poor and unhappy because their leadership sucks and because they support Terror.

 

Cool.

Israel is within their rights.

 

Totally nonsensical statement (dripped in dehumanization as well).

Since you do not know most Gazans (let alone all of them), then you have absolutely NO IDEA what they think and/or support.

Leave it to someone with a clear bias against an ENTIRE group of millions of people (even it's children) to make an absolutely, ridiculous statement filled with bile and hatred directed at said people.

Gazan's are not the reason they are poor. The racist Israeli Leadership and people like YOU are the primary reasons the Gazan's are so INCREDIBLY poor.

 

Well it is your own people, the IDF who have said that

as already above

link as above

The most likely reason for blowing up this tunnel was the people who were inside couple with Hamas and Fatah Unity deal.


POw's always build tunnels. Gaza is not different. Remove Israel's siege and they may still have time to save their land - which I guess is a good reason why Israel will not. One consequence of Israel's destruction of Gaza in 2014 was the destruction of Gaza's one power plant. That coupled with the cuts in electricity which are down to between 2-4 hours a day due both to Fatah not paying for Gaza's electricity in order to get Gaza to move on Unity Government and Israel cutting off Gaza's gas for most of the time regardless of her having a duty of care to ensure this is supplied to ensure safety to the people of gaza has resulted in among other things Gaza becoming something of a sewerage dump. This of course being something Israel herself would not stand one day of.

Israel shuts down beaches polluted by sewage from besieged Gaza Strip

So, to go back to where I came in. The 2014 war against Gaza was motivated by Hamas and Fata coming to a deal on a Unity Government. Hamas gave up more or less everything for this. The reason they did was because Gaza was not surviving. However a Unity deal did not suit Israel. It was accepted by both the US and the EU and would have put pressure on Israel to come to the deal which Israel promised in 1993 and which should have come into being by 1997.

The destruction of Gaza in 2014 put the Unity deal on the back burner. Abbas then decided to make life totally intolerable for Gaza and refused to pay for their electricity despite knowing this would cause hell including inability to provide power to cook, do operations, look after babies and others needing intensive care and not least importantly deal with sewerage. Abbas knew this would cause deaths which it has. Israel had the opportunity to show herself to have some integrity by going by her duty of care and not put this situation into being. She chose not to.

Well you pays your money and you makes your choice. Despite a Fatah/Hamas deal being something which Israel cannot face she could not act honourable as per her responsibilities as occupier and continue to provide electricity at her own cost to the people of Gaza. Abbas has got what he wanted. Forcing the people of Gaza to live among sewerage, with babies needing intensive care dying etc has caused Hamas to back down again and try to get this unity Government going..........and then we find as I said in my first post, the people of Israel being fed misinformation on the attitude of the new leader of Hamas, an attempted assassination on Gaza's security chief and now a tunnel which the IDF were well aware of and did not see as a danger being blown up a few days after the assassination attempt when it had several people inside including apparently the head of Islamic Jihad militant group Arafat Abu Marshould - that is two attacks on VIP's in 4 days, it is easy to suspect this is again provocation. Israel will not stand a unity government as that empowers the Palestinians.

but one good thing, Israel's plans on bringing the annexation of 62% of the West Bank to fruition has been brought to at least a temporary halt by pressure from the US which it is believed itself resulted from pressure from the Saud's.

http://jfjfp.com/?p=96062

Had Israel honoured Oslo, this could all have been sorted out 20 years ago.

 

You accuse MGB Roadster of making broad statements against the arabs and then you do the same thing to Israel and the Jews

Tunnels and weapons purchased with aid meney would be better spent on peaceful projects rather than war

But the arabs never learn

 

Hmmmmm

https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas...ing-to-foil-unity-deal-with-tunnel-explosion/

The unity deal though is going ahead.

This morning

Hamas has handed over administrative control of five border crossings in Gaza to the Palestinian Authority.

 

When have we ever been close to cutting our necks to deserve your "admiration" ?

 

All terrorists lives are good for taking if the situation proves right......,

IDF messege was that the tunnel wasnt an immidiate threat because it wasnt complete yet, that explains the other part of the qoute that you accidently dropped :
"
He added that the army was aware of the route of the tunnel and believed that it did not pose any danger. However, after deliberations, it was decided to destory it in order to prevent a hazardous situation.
read more: https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.819911"

Islamic Jihad admitted they gug it to kidnap Israeli soldiers so you can stop with that propganda now...
"
Funerals were held yesterday for the deceased Hamas and PIJ operatives, at which senior Islamic Jihad operatives committed to dig another tunnel into Israel for “kidnapping soldiers in order to free prisoners,” as PIJ operative Khaled al-Batsh said.

He added: “When you kill the sons of our people, then it is right to respond, blood for blood, we will continue to bear our arms, and we won’t let anyone take them away from us.”
http://www.bicom.org.uk/news/islamic-jihad-vows-revenge-tunnel-destruction/

 

They said they bombed it to prevent danger from it once completed, not that it wasnt dangerous.

and the fact it was a tunnel into Israel dug by Terrorists...

PoW ?? Gaza is their home...
OFC we wont break the naval siege as long as terrorists control the strip that should go withou saying really.

That's because we are weaker than spider webs but forcing the Pal to take responsibilty proved to work better than a peace process.

No, they kidnapped and murdered 3 Israeli children and them bombed us when we started arresting ppl in the WB, that's why the OP in 2014 started.

Name one thing the "gave"

Sounds like you are twisting another thing, there are no promises here only deals that require both sides to do something, and btw the US and the EU are not a side in the negotiations.

Perhaps there is something rotten in Hamas kingdom if so many Arabs and Palestinians hate it, providing for a terror org his sole mission is your destruction is not "having integrity", besides that led to a unity which Im sure you support.

We siege them because they want to destroy us and they have their own Gov and funds to pay for services they require.

Sounds worse than Syria, you have a UN report of that plague ?

What is the "right" attitude ?

The assasination attempt was just as likly to be a Palestinian matter, a car bomb is not how Israel eliminates threats to it and terrorists also kill each other from time to time in dispute or for political reasons and the tunnel - and any other tunnel - is a legit military target, best stay away from those if you visit Gaza and tell youor friends taht as well, also, while at it, tell your Hizbi friends that smuggeling weapons from Syria to Lebanon is likewise a very dangerous occupation.

Good.
Im guessing you didnt hear what Israeli Labor leader said some days ago...

BS, the Palestinians broke it with their terror attacks, we dont negotiate or withdraw under fire.

 

The USA should attack tunnels dug under its territory also -- with mustard gas and fans so as not to put law enforcement at risk. That's what should have been done at Iwo Jima instead of losing so many men.

 

Well of course that is an Israeli just giving themselves the right to kill anyone. According to Israel I am a terrorist. Spain has caught on and decided the Catalonia Independents are terrorists. Given that you do not have a definition of terrorist which is acceptable that means nothing.

You are insinuating I was being deceptive. What you say is a lie. I did indeed give all of that in my first quote on the subject. Only when replying to the laughter that it did not pose a danger did I just give what applied to that.

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...ug-into-its-territory.517791/#post-1068201746

Please stop being so rude all the time. What I was saying was not propaganda and since writing it I find my concerns are shared. Israel was who was presenting the propaganda prior to their destruction of Gaza with their mass killing of children and leaving them in the hell they have been in since - and on top of that tens of thousands with both physical and mental life changing injuries.

sounds like a reasonable plan in the current situation....except the situation is changing. I looked at one meeting where they were demanding Hamas attack back and Hamas said it would but that not immediately as they were going for unity as that would make them strong. My argument that with the attempted assassination of the Security Chief plus this attack killing up to 8 people some of them notable, can easily be seen as similar to all the provocations Israel got up to in order to get Hamas eventually to fight back in 2014. I think Israel attacked 7 different areas killing Hamas and others in one night before Hamas did attack and at last Israel had her excuse and could get all the Western Governments to report her lie that she was attacking in self defence. Israel attacked then because she did not want a Unity Government. She still does not and being an Israeli you know that well. When a country creates a war for one thing one time it is reasonable to suggest she will do the same again. Then it would have been certainly more obviously beneficial with Obama in power. He had grown up with Jewish friends who believed in helping the oppressed. He foolishly believed that was something inherent in Jews - which I guess is stereotyping, but it was a shock to him to discover the minds of the rulers and their spin doctors of Israel including those on internet forums.

However we have already seen that the Trump Admin has managed to get Israel to halt its plans on Jerusalem so it may be that they will be a surprise.

and that is what happens Gilos and that will be what continues to happen while you continue killing them, taking their land from them and making their lives hell. That is just how human beings act. In Northern Ireland they were just the same. At first they had a reason to react. They lacked rights. That was sorted but by that time they were all so angry at having lost their mothers, fathers sons and daughters that they had forgotten how to live and still carried on till the US stopped funding them and people met and spoke to them and let them keep their guns till the deal was done.

Much harder for the Palestinians. They began having their rights taken away and for them it has been an ongoing journey of more and more being taken away. Yes, they are angry. You have got pretty close to leaving them with nothing to lose. After your Cast lead one of our teams interviewed under tens in Gaza. They didn't know why 'Jews' hated them so much but all they wanted to be when they grew up was a fighter to pay back for what was done to their mother or father or brother or sister or friend.

 

I don't undertsand the problem here.
Clearly this was going to be an underground storage cave for the Palestinian Champagne Industry.
It was just very narrow, went a few miles astray, and mistakenly ended up well into Israel.
A shame the winemakers got hurt and all that bubbly got busted.
+

 

They said it was not dangerous. I did not know what the second part was saying. It was completely nebulous. The reality is that they chose to bomb it when a) the Palestinians had got a Unity dealing going again, b) presumably it was Israel who had already tried to kill Hamas's security chief and 3) they chose to bomb it when there were a lot of people in it including at least one VIP - two seem to be what people are saying. While I accept that to you a Palestinian's life is worth nothing, for anyone who values life, they could easily instead have bombed it when no one was in given that it was no immediate danger and it had been known to the IDF for some time. Given all that it is reasonable to assume that bombing it at that particular time was an act of provocation.

well it certainly was not built by some or all of the people who were assassinated....and again as far as Israel is concerned I am a terrorist, so you presumably would be up to killing me so please do not be surprised if I have not much sympathy for you.

Israel terrorises the Palestinians continuously. God save us from people who have no ability to self reflect. It is always the other. You have total control over the Palestinians. You bomb, drone and shoot them at will. From what I hear systematic abuse/torture of teens is currently going on in Jerusalem.

http://www.btselem.org/publications/summaries/201710_unprotected

What on earth gives you reason to believe you have any moral position to come from.

Gaza is a prison and recognised as such from everyone who is not scared to be honest. However that should change now with the Unity Government. The Dictator Sisi should let them through and Israel will be finding plenty of pressure to end her siege and allow them to have some possibility of a working economy. I noticed that was being brought up as well as sorting out the situation so that Gaza can have water fit for drinking and cooking as well as electricity. Seriously I seem to remember you were well happy at the idea of the people of Gaza basically all but having their gas completely cut off. Well Abbas got what he wanted and that has lead to the Unity Government. There are other things going around, for instance the Sauds and the Egyptians so I am not sure what is going on but though the way he created it completely lacked morality and lead to deaths, there is no question that a Unity Government will be far more powerful. We just need to hope the leaders aim is to help the people and not build their dynasty. Abbas's life is coming to an end. Who knows not impossible he may want to do the right thing and that would be liberating the Palestinians.

we shall see. It is one of the first things on the list as would be expected.

Don't get your humour. You believe sadism is funny?

You wanted a Unity Government? Hell if you had wanted that you had no need to destroy Gaza and engage in all the wanton killing of unarmed civilians which your soldiers particularly that G whatever brigade got up to.

You have won nothing. Until this unity government possibly brought by your refusal to go by your obligations as an occupying power, you were set with your fascist government to go after 62% of the West Bank - first move was supposed to be today. Already the Unity Government has stopped that - and Gilos if you wanted a unity Government you had no need to engage in your wanton destruction, killing and stealing of land from the people of Gaza in 2014.

No they did not and I am pretty sure you are aware of that because I know I told you several times. The people who killed the three teenagers were a rogue group who are known to step in and try to destroy things when Hamas is moving towards peace. They are no friends of Hamas. Your continued identifying them with Hamas is no less disgusting and malicious than Nazis identifying all German Jews with Herschel Grynszpan.

They gave up their power as rulers. The Palestinian Prime Minister was to be in charge of a government of largely technocrats.

I am not twisting anything and you are being twisted suggesting such. Both the US and the EU recognised the Unity Government of 2014. There is no question given that Obama was in power, that that would have resulted in massive pressure on yourselves to for once in your lives act in a just way and bring an end to this 50 years of occupation/oppression and land theft.

Oh boy, living in a Fascist country certainly shows itself. I said nothing about anyone hating Hamas. Your answer is just like the people who claim all countries have thrown out Jews so there must be something intrinsically bad in them - though for arabs doing this who learnt antisemitism from the West I would put that down to ignorance.However it now appears also to be your mindset. I do though remember how you were hoping the Palestinians who were being invaded by your soldiers would make a wrong move so that they could be killed - and about 9 were - one of them a child of under ten. Along with that you wanted to make sure every person with any relations with Hamas was killed and that is where I have thought of you as someone promoting genocide. That is when we fell out.

My talk of integrity was about your fascist government which does not take on its responsibilities to look after those it is occupying - in this case Gaza. Your government who was happy to leave babies to die rather than to go by its responsibility. I'll tell you something Gilos, the West is really threatened by fascism now but it still has a long way to go till it gets to your place. You do not even care about European or American Jews any more. Your Government supports all the fascist Jew hating Governments and even goes along with the overt antisemitism aimed at Soros regardless of the concerns of Jews living in these countries. You are even supporting the new Austria Government which is going into a coalition with a neo nazi party which was formed by an old nazi. Hell you sure as hell better hope the world becomes Nazi type fascist again. That is who your government is siding with. They will expel Jews from Europe and you will take them in claiming that Europe and the US always hate Jews and use that as your excuse to take more land. Spencer loves Israel because he sees you as a mirror.

Look to yourself before you think anyone is beneath you. Clear up your own act. At the moment you are supported by the Western Fascists. Bit by bit you are losing everyone else. Like attracts like.

No, the siege of Gaza was always intended. It was part of your game to get the West Bank. You are just bullies, harming the genuine people whose land it is as you steal it becoming yourselves more and more fanatical each year.

The lies told by the American Jewish establishment
You know perfectly well I used to have as my signature Israeli's discussing how they would be at perpetual war with the people of Gaza because they would be living in hell shut in Gaza. When you tried your 'I had only said half of it' line, I investigated it and found it was well meant. I'd use that again as my sig if I could find it. The people of Gaza were deliberately put in a position of no hope - a position no Palestinian would have agreed with which is why you never tried. Moving your settlers out was purely to try and deceive the US. Hell you yourself in a previous life were honest enough to admit that for Israel the two state deal died with Rabin's assassination. After that it was just waiting till you can get it all. Hell during 2014 there was even a plea made to make concentration camps in Gaza, murder anyone who did not seem docile and then deport the rest. How low can a people get.

 

Let me surprise you ... i deal with Gazans.
Tools and machinery.
All of those which i deal with tell me ( whisper is the right word ) that their main problems are caused by Hammas.
They also say that when Israel "ruled" Gaza , they had a much better life.
Hammas invests in attack tunnels and wheapons , not in health or education.

 

My friend .. i do not support the Palestinian wall of lies .
I think and know that BDS and Hamas are responsible for Gazan's economic problems ( not forget Egypt ).
Who is your own people ?
When pro Islam Arabo Jihado Paleshtino will understand that the hatred and terror way is not the right way .. maybe
things will change