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Israel wants to be at war with Palestine while claiming that nobody in Palestine should defend themselves!!!

Where the HELL did they get that idea??? Who in America would not defend their land should WE be invaded?

And, your comments about "right to exist" are simply and grossly false.

President Abbas has worked hard and continuously toward peaceful coexistence without the agree boundaries. Even HAMAS has stated that their intent is peaceful coexistence.

The ONLY government that has NOT agreed to coexistence is ... ISRAEL.

It's Israel that is dedicated to Palestine not existing, NOT the other way around. Against international law which Israel has agreed to, no nation may increase their size by forceful taking of adjacent land - which is exactly what Israel has been doing for DECADES now.

 

It's a federal crime for any organization, including religious organizations to claim 501(c)(3) exemption yet participate in a political campaign, including publishing or distributing statements against or in favor of any candidate.

It does bother me to see organizations claiming to be religious commit this well known federal crime.

 

The moment the oil is gone or we move on from oil they will no longer be necessary. At that point our relationship with them will be over. We have no oil interest in Israel but a tactical one. And that will last a lot longer so long as religion dominates Muslim countries political sphere. And possibly even past that depending on the form of government that exists.

 

Link to where this happened please.

Like it or not its a fact that Israel has just as much Right to exist as any other country.

Direct from Hamas Charter: Hamas Charter

And yet every time that there has been a temporary peace it has always been HAMAS or some other extreme group that started firing rockets.

Well, maybe if Hamas et al would stop firing rockets Israel wouldn't need that buffer. Maybe if 4 Arab nations hadn't attacked Israel right after the establishment of Israel we wouldn't be where we are now.

There's plenty of reasons to criticize Israel, but the claims you've made here ignore history and facts.

 

??? The blockade of Gaza is an act of war. The ethnic cleansing and capture of Palestinian land in West Bank is an act of war.

Israel is at war with Palestine - they just don't tolerate Palestine fighting back with what means they have.

The whole world believes that Israel is permanent. Even Hamas agrees that Israel is permanent.

That was written LONG ago. That is not the opinion of leadership in Gaza or West Bank today..

When President Abbas worked to establish his unity government, peaceful coexistence obtained by peaceful means was a requirement. Hamas is in agreement with that.

People like you who attempt to justify false claims of status quo by dredging up history that doesn't apply and is directly refuted do a HUGE disservice to ANY rational outcome. In fact, that's a method used for defending Israel's humanitarian crime of ethnic cleansing.

There has been no "temporary peace" for more than 20 years. The blockade against Gaza IS WAR. Periods where Israel isn't using jet aircraft to bomb apartment buildings, water, electricity and hospitals in Gaza do NOT comprise "peace" in any sane definition.

Again, Israel is actively engaged in war against Gaza. Beyond that, they refuse to even discuss an end to their war on Gaza. They won't even discuss a ceasefire!!

Demanding that Gaza not fight back is PREPOSTEROUS.

If you think there is something I'm ignoring, then cite it.

 

You have an amazing ability to see absolutely nothing of history and facts. Also if Hamas truly believed what you say then they wouldn't be firing rockets into Israel.

 

Personally I think we need to get rid of that law. Planned Parenthood and Media Matters are tax exempt yet are plenty biased politically.

 

Under complete Muslim domination. From their charter, still in effect:

"The foundational document, the Hamas Charter (mīthāq ḥarakat), is dated August 18, 1988, and contains both antisemiticpassages, characterizations of Israeli society as Nazi-like in its cruelty,[140] and irredentist claims that have never been revoked despite what some observers say are later policy changes in the organization regarding Israel[141][142] and the Jews.[143][144] It declares all of Palestine waqf property endowed by God to Muslims,[145] with religious coexistence under Islam's wing.[146] The charter rejects a two-state solution, envisaging no peaceful settlement of the conflict apart from jihad."

Wikipedia

There is NO Muslim government that gives freedom of religion to 'infidels' as we know it in the Judeo/Christian West, and I doubt Hamas would be the first.

So why did the Palestinians reject peace when it was offered to them, twice?

 

Because of their RAGING ANTI-SEMITISM!

 

What???

Israel is carrying out war against them.

Why would anyone propose that they stop fighting when there is NO CHANCE Israel will even DISCUSS ending the war? And, Netanyahu has made absolute statements that Israel will never allow Palestine to even exist!

I just do not understand your logic.

 

Weren't you saying that Trump asked Netanyahu to ban them?

As in, an African country banned Steve King?

 

http://www.politicalforum.com/index...tering-country.560282/page-25#post-1070893726

 

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I've already pointed out that that old charter document DOES NOT describe the situation as it has existed since the Clinton administration, when Hamas stated that, legal or not, Israel was a permanent fixture and that they would live in peace beside Israel.

Arafat probably should have accepted the deal he was offered as a practical matter.

BUT, let's remember that deal was an ISRAELI deal that did not recognize international law. It ceded significant Palestinian land to Israel for no reason other than recognition of Israel's illegal conquests - which by international law is not a legitimate means of expansion. And, it would not have prevented the war that Israel is today carrying out against Gaza.

Also, it did not help those living in Israel as Israeli citizens - continuing to deny them equality due to their religion, continuing to deny them the right to reside in the homes they vacated in fear of war. Netanyahu even pushes to codify this apartheid in the Israeli constitution!!! It would not have put an end to Israeli apartheid, making it very difficult to agree to settlements that continue to deny equality on the basis of RELIGION as Arafat represented all Palestinians - not just the ones that Israel hadn't already captured by war.

Again specific to your point on religion: Israel doesn't allow equality of freedom or even REPRESENTATION - based on RELIGION.

BTW, what makes freedom of religion an issue that would justify ethnic cleansing or destruction of a state??? What do you see as a source for this idea that lack of religious freedom means we are free to steal their property and eliminate their government, selling it off as spoils of war as Israel does???

 

You're totally confused here. Other countries can disrespect our congress or any other aspect of our country. That's their right.

It is NOT acceptable for someone in high office in the USA to support others in disparaging our high offices - such as Trump did.

 

I don't remember either of those publicly advocating for specific candidates.

 

This isn't about recognizing Israel. There is certainly a serious issue of Israel's legitimacy in terms of its borders - even including the 67 borders.

But, that hasn't been the issue over the last 20 years at least - even on the part of Hamas, which disagrees with Israel's legitimacy, but accepts it as permanent.

 

Ok, so then would you also say that an African country would be disrespecting Congress if they banned racist Steve King? Or do you admit an insane double standard?

 

Asked and answered several times. Just to repeat, other countries can disrespect anyone they want.

Our elected officials get to respect our form of government and those holding office in it when conducting international relations - even if there is political disagreement between our office holders.

This is part of the respect that our government depends upon. We speak with one voice to the outside world. We respect our own form of government and its institutions. Trump was TOTALLY out of line with his expression of disrespect for US congressmen made to foreign dignitaries.

 

I’m sure the Nazis felt that way about the Jewish-led boycott against German goods and services before WWII.

 

Why would the racist Steve King go to an African country?

 

LOL.

AOC is Jewish.

 

If they want to ban a racist that is attacking their country, why would I mind?

The anti-Israel lobby
Reps. Tlaib and Omar are on a mission to defame and de-legitimize the Jewish state.



America blocked Michael Ben Ari, a far-right Israeli legislator, and Narendra Modi, accused of doing too little to prevent anti-Muslim riots in 2002, and now India’s prime minister.

House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer invited Reps. Omar and Tlaib to join a bipartisan delegation that went to Israel and the West Bank earlier this month. They preferred not to accompany their colleagues.

Separately, the Israeli government granted a request by Rep. Tlaib to enter the West Bank to visit relatives, asking only that she not use the occasion to promote boycotts against Israel. She said no deal.

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/aug/20/anti-israel-lobby/

Tlaib and Omar support boycotting Israelis buy they are outraged that Israelis choose to boycott them?

 

Did you think that I was asking you?

 

What does this story have to do with AOC? Nice try

 

It doesn't matter. If he was banned from going, would you have a problem with it? Or if not, do you admit an insane double standard if you have a problem with the Tlaib/Omar ban?