Israel PM vows to annex West Bank settlements if re-elected

I do not suggest any such country existed you have made that up. However there is undeniably a group that self identify as Palestinian and they have certainly suffered

Again I do not suggest that Christian Zionists played a significant role in the in the advent of Zionism, they did however play a significant role in the Balfour Declaration from which those who identify as Palestians have suffered.

Again you have made this up I made no such implication, you have read far to much into it.

Thank you for exposing why I rarely enter into debate on the subject of Israel, the fact is that your critical thinking has failed you and I see it from both ardent zionists all the way to the Holocaust denying antisemites, discussion on Israel has become virtually impossible without one or the other side reading what they want into a comment to justify their own confirmation bias. I have not offered any opinion on whether I support Israel anywhere on this board and yet you have made assumptions. Sad!

 

Obama was chosen for a second time after it was painfully obvious that he was not supporting Israel.

Please make a list of all American politicians since 1948, detailing how they supported Israel, and a list of all American politicians who lost elections since 1948, showing that they lost elections because they did not support Israel.

 

I was commenting on a post stating the Palestinians survive on handouts from the EU and pointing out that Israel survives on handouts from the US, from this you have assumed I am anti Israel. Again any reasonable debate is squashed by the zealots on both sides. What I know about the finer points are unknown to you since you cannot possibly know from the few posts I made so you make assumptions or make it up!

Your critical thinking skills are gone and you have replaced them with petty insults, as I said sad.

 

Did I mention a Palestinian country? Nope. You mentioned Palestinians, I asked you how do you know there were non-Jews identifying as Palestinians at the time of the Balfour declaration.

 

No you mentioned nation and to an ardent zionist that means country unless you interpret nation as not meaning country in the Balfour declaration!

 

Everyone in Israel, including the IWB, is a Palestinian.

 

Again - my point was about unproven premises in your post. What rattled my ideological cage were the implicit assumptions, not the handouts stuff.

I'm sorry I've lost my temper and I apologize. It's so frustrating to have all my up-close-and-personal knowledge of my people and my country not merely questioned, but downright trampled by strangers. Not knowing what I know, you can't understand my replies, nor the more profound implications of your own words.

All I can do is hope that my other, different way to look at the situation, will somehow punch a hole in the accepted, dogmatic narrative about the conflict.

 

Of course it is, and only the foolish deny it. Israel has allies as does their enemies. If their enemies overrun Israel, the final operation is schedule to melt the Muslim ME in atomic hell fire. There will be no escape for the fanatics of Islam.

 

The Pro Islamo Jihado Arabo propaganda will never stop ? Probably not.
And the Palestinians will continue to suck our money while doing their best to stay refugees.

 

the Israeli settlers would not react well to be called "Palestinians".

 

How about UN condemnation, # 25, 594,385 or so?

 

But Palestinians living in Israel proper are happy to be called Israelis...

Hm...

 

Indeed. The Wall is a must, ASAP!

And lose Trump will not, see to it we will.

 

Blame UNRWA for making Palestinians into perpetual refugees.

 

This is more serious - and the clamor more significant - so you are conflating somewhat. Further - you can not look at this in isolation of other recent events in the region .. such as the Targeted Assassinations - of the dudes you just signed a peach agreement with - on the eve of signing that agreement - and other things. Trump then Targeting Solimani.

The UN is sometimes irrelevant - fair enough - but sometimes it is not. Israel is pushing the boundaries of acceptable conduct - as did Trump

We are signatories to many things at the UN - though we are not bound by them legally - no enforcement mechanism. So I am not talking about the things we have not agreed to - but the things that we have agreed to.

It is a gentleman's agreement of sorts.. I will not threaten you biological weapons if you agree to the same .. and so on. Adhering to these rules - helps to maintain peace and stability among nations.

You are suggesting throwing out the rule book - I disagree with that approach. The UN and various affiliates are the only rulebook we have.

We of course have been violating many of these rules with impunity - particularly over the last 3-4 decades. Some in the group are more equal than others. There was no real threat of others following suit in the distant past - as we were the only economic game in town - and everyone wanted to play - everyone was with us.

The geopolitical chessboard has changed - If it is OK for Israel to annex territory from others - on the basis of "might makes right" - then it is OK for Russia - China - or any other nation with the power - to do the same.

How was the annexation of Kosovo significantly different than the annexation of Crimea - sans the fact that Crimea is more defensible - IMO.
There is an example of the UN being biased and worthless... normally when this happens it is in the favor of the US .. and has been throughout the history of the body.. we have more control over the UN than any other nation ..

but as I have stated .. things have changed. We may want to keep some of these rules ... general codes of conduct rather than throw them down the toilet.

Israel has become a problem - a threat to global security - it is a nuclear nation - and with such privilege comes responsibilities - such as respect for international norms.

I get that Israel has security issues - but many of its own creation - something that is recognized by a whole lot of Israeli citizens - and Jews around the world.

I don't fkng care about Israel's victim complex - I want this issue resolved. This last 20 years of war in the middle east has all been linked - in one way or another with this 80 year old religious blood feud.

Take the Iraq war - One of the main stated reasons for 911 - as stated by Bin Laden - was the Israel/Palestinian bloodfeud. You got your propaganda about why you are right - they have theirs of why they are right .... I don't fking care. I want this issue resolved .. and the actions being taken are not moving that direction - they are moving rapidly in the opposite direction.

The solution to the problem of Israel stealing land - something that has been going on for decades - is not for Israel to steal more land .. and especially not in such a disputed area.

The solution to a ceasefire - is not to kill the fellow you made the ceasefire with - along with his family - the eve of signing those documents.

Looking at the bigger picture - the sensibility of US policy w/r to the ME in general ... I don't see any sense .. at all.

 

Palestinians has become a problem - their violence is simillar to Hezbollah.
They support Terror.
They support hatred.
They support Jihad.
In Gaza they stone gays.
In Ramallah and Nables they cry for donations while coffee shops are packed and every one is eating Baklawa.

 

Don't recall Israel stoning gays for thousands of years - our Friends El Saud on the other hand - still practice the art.

All of the above items on your list - can be applied to Israel.

 

Don't be ridiculous.

 

Look at a map of Israel. Israel is NOT DEFENDABLE within the pre 1967 borders. Hell Israel is just barely defendable if they seize the entirety of the West Bank and forcibly remove all non Israelis.

It would be like trying to defend Washington D.C. from the North Koreans if you gave North Korea Maryland.

 

I am not the one that brought up stoning of Gays - - what else on the list does Israel not do ?

 

Coffee shops? Try night clubs. Young Israeli Arabs are traveling to Ramallah for fun-filled nights.
https://www.lonelyplanet.com/palestinian-territories/ramallah/nightlife/a/poi-dri/1001860

The Palestinian leaders certainly support hatred and terror, but they're out of sync with their own people.

 

Israel does not

They support Terror.
They support hatred.
They support Jihad.

 

Of course Israel supports terror ... they were part of the US led coalition to arm, supply, and support the Islamist Jihadist proxy army - led by Al Qaeda and and offspring. This was Holy Jihad - to turn Syria into a Strict Sharia Theocracy and Israel was supporting the Jihadists.

Next ?

 

Prove it. By citing an unbiased source please

 

It is not a secret
IDF chief finally acknowledges that Israel supplied weapons to Syrian rebels

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-chief-acknowledges-long-claimed-weapons-supply-to-syrian-rebels/

That Israel gave care and aid to the enemy.

https://www.aljazeera.com/programme...dical-aid-al-nusra-front-160531081744269.html