Israel says Arrow-3 missile shield passes U.S. trials, warns Iran

I hope this is mostly typical Israeli propaganda and not true in terms of the message it implies, as it would be thoroughly destabilizing in terms of the balance of power in the region. It would further embolden an already power hungry clique who have been bringing war and destruction to the Middle East, while weakening one of the most important tools of deterrence in Iran's arsenal. I have noticed the reports and commentaries have so far all been from Israel or relying on Israeli accounts, which are inherently unreliable and typically mostly propaganda in nature. While the current state of affairs in the US is one where we are witnessing the same propensities and dynamics as exist in Israel at play, verification of the test results by the Pentagon would nonetheless carry slightly more weight.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...eld-passes-us-trials-warns-iran-idUSKCN1UN088

 

There should be no balance of power. Israel, the only decent government in the middle east should be the dominant regional power.

 

Below is a video the Israelis have shown of the missile test and their reaction to it.

 

There IS NO balance of power in the region; Israel is the only superpower. And this is how it should be.

 

I consider Iran the most profound, beautiful, illuminating,vibrant yet fundamentally peaceful country in the region and among the best in the world. The only country that can have a rabidly Zionist zealot with history of anti Iranian positions mimicking those of her government visit it and like almost all who actually visit Iran regardless of race, national origin, religion, political or ideological or political persuasion, sexual preference, and other things that divide human beings, absolutely fall in love with country and its people. That is what ultimately speaks of a nation's greatness; otherwise Iran (unlike most other countries) has been around long enough where through several millennia of history, it has experienced the heights of military power as well as periods where it has been weak. Through it all we survived, as a proud nation with a consciousness of its distinct heritage most often than not capable of defending its realm.

That said, even the kind indexes Israeli partisans favor to promote their zealotry often don't look good in comparison to a country that has what it has by its own efforts, under sanctions and other forms of efforts to keep it down and without a powerful patron except its own people.

https://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-...an-has-a-stronger-military-than-Israel-578131
DEFENSE SITE: IRAN HAS A STRONGER MILITARY THAN ISRAEL
https://www.haaretz.com/middle-east...-israel-in-scientific-research-race-1.6051394
The Graph Netanyahu Didn't Want You to See: Iran Surpasses Israel in Scientific Research Rankings

 

Israel is always exaggerating its strength and its capabilities. This time is no different. That doesn't make this development meaningless, but it is far from the strategic game-changer that Israeli officials are portraying it as.

 

You're free to spend your own time and money on making Israel the dominant regional power, if you like. Just don't act like Americans as a whole have a dog in that fight.

 

What nonsense. Israel is totally dependent on international support for its existence. Israel is the opposite of a superpower.

 

Do you really believe Israel to be hellbent on destroying the Iranian people? That's a bit naive, you know.

Jews owe a debt of gratitude to Persians for being allowed to return to Jerusalem and rebuild the Temple. We see Iranians as friends and natural allies, crazy fanatical ayatollahs notwithstanding. Our enemy is the theocratic, hegemony seeking regime of Iran, whose deluded fantasies include being worshiped as the heroes who liberate al-Aqsa thus becoming the leaders of the Muslim world. This regime is as dangerous for Muslims as it is for Jews, and as dangerous for the Iranian people as it is for all the other peoples in the region.

The unsettling alliance between Israel and several Arab states, including Saudi Arabia, is an unintended consequence of the Iranian regime's ambitions. While such a rapprochement should be a reason for cautious optimism in normal times, its underlying motivations make my skin crawl. You do realize what Arab armies would do in Iran to innocent Iranians, and I don't want my country to be involved in any way. But Iran makes it impossible for us to remain neutral.

 

I thought Israel already has Patriot missile systems deployed. Why do they need a new system?

 

I get the sense that you have been exposed to the propaganda against Iran, and repeated it so often, that you believe in it yourself!

Forget the "regime in Iran": for Israel to make its case with the Iranian people, it will need to learn to have an honest dialogue about its own policies and what drives them, as well as what it might find objectionable with regard to Iran's policies without letting fiction and falsehoods get the better of the facts.

 

Israel does have Patriot missiles deployed, but those are virtually useless against the kind of missiles Iran can fire at Israel. The Arrow 3 supposedly engages the missiles above atmosphere and might (if it operates as advertised) prove more than a nuisance.

 

I doubt very much the two of us can have an open, sincere dialogue. I'll continue nevertheless to reply to some of your posts, and you'll probably blame it all on the Israeli propaganda again.

Israel doesn't need to make its case with the Iranian people. It's a sovereign state, not some ideologically driven funds hungry NGO. The only thing the Israeli government really needs to do is protect its citizens.

 

The world is a beneficiary of Israelis intelligence, ingenuity, entrepreneurship and generosity. We are all very lucky to have Israel!

 

You would hope so. But attack Israel and see what happens.

Of course, stay in your little backyard, do not develop the nuke and do not sponsor terrorism, and live happily ever after

 

You would know best why you might not be able to have such an honest discussion, but I am certainly open to have such discussions. In any such discussion, the more you focus on telling me about Iran (thanks, but I am confident I know more about Iran than you will ever know), and the less you talk about things about Israel which you might actually know about, the less likely it is that I would be accusing you of repeating propaganda.

 

Patriot isn't an ABM system.

 

When the day finally arrives when the mullahs are removed in Iran and the people are set free, the ME will be a much better place.

 

2 ressons we have a dog in this fight.
1. Morality
2. Oil, though that's beciming less important

There are a dozen issues about which you care but that i could say are not issues for America. A lot of Americans care deeply about helping to preserve Israel. You however don't speak for America and it is not up to you to say whether we have a dog in the fight or not.

 

Iran is a theocracy, right?

 

Iran is a country of 80 million people, with plenty of diversity and contradictory things -- not something that is described by any label! It system of government, however, mixes elements of what you might consider a "theocracy" with what you find in a representative democracy.

 

I could retort something about your obvious focus on telling me about Israel, but as everyone is entitled to own opinion, I'll refrain from such a childish reaction.

My comments are not about Iran as a nation, but about Iran's actions on the political stage as an international actor. It's a dictatorial, theocratic, repressive regime bent on gaining regional hegemony. That much is crystal clear. Israel will not allow Iran to use Jews and Jerusalem as a stepping stone to glory and worldly power.

 

When you notice me telling you something about Israel that is inaccurate or incorrect, by all means: correct me. I seldom engage in telling others the obvious, since the obvious is presumably well known already. And I don't really focus my comments on what is going on in Israel.

There is plenty to fault Iran's government, system of government, and politics for, but much of what you say is simply absurd and akin to a fairy tale so often repeated it has managed to fool those telling the tales. Which is why anyone who visits Iran is, above all else, simply shocked at the disconnect between the reality they observe and the propaganda image of the country abroad.

 

It could be true but it would make absolute sense that they would be saying this even if not true at this time, just to put Iran on edge in what choices she chooses.

 

Well, there is one muslim at the head of government who has the final say. That's a theocracy. The USA has a government of checks and balances. The President is held in check by a Constitution and two other branches of government. The Ayatollah ALLOWS as much democracy as he wants. He isn't held in check. The Ayatollah is a dictator.