Israel, US to hold air drill simulating striking Iran nuclear program

source: Israel, US to hold air drill simulating striking Iran nuclear program

I really doubt Biden will permit Israel to do anything so bold, but here's to hoping





If we could time it right as the USA is beating Iran in the World Cup, even better.

Really, now would seem like an opportune time to strike Iran, with the protests they're facing, it might just be the nudge they need to topple the regime. But alas, if Biden's foreign policy is anything, it's consistently wrong.

 

Iran precision bombed multiple US bases in Iraq as a reprisal for the US who illegally executed an Iranian without a trial.
And Iran did that reprisal, with a heads up making all those US soldiers flee for their lives into bunkers.
Iran knew where those bunkers were and levelled everything around it flat, except those bunkers killing nobody.
Nobody knew that Iran knew about those bunkers. Nobody knew Iran was able to aim their missiles fired from Iran to Iraq with such a precision.



Iran's non nuclear might shocked the world.
The US could do nothing to prevent it.
And they can and will hit Israel the same way.
And there is nothing Israel can do to prevent it.


Russian missiles hit Ukraine all over the same way.

The US is balls deep in Ukraine, and this is an opportune moment to go start a new war? Are you aware that Iran is far more advanced than Afghanistan? Them goat herders rather recently humiliated the US by kicking them out of their country. No doubt they just flatten Israel, and they will sink any boat carrying oil to the west going through that straight. The oil price will really will go through the roof like no tomorrow.

 

what is crazy to me, is we broke up the war between Iraq and Iran... now we get dragged into all this with both sides.. should have just left them alone, Bush attacking Iraq was a mistake

 

So Iran was able to shoot missiles across its border. Amazing. That must mean they’re equally good at shooting them anywhere else in the world.

Great logic.

Russias doing well at shooting thousands of missiles. How’s that working for their war effort? LOL.

talk when you actually know something about war, how it’s waged, and how it’s won. “Omg Iran can accurately shoot missiles around its immediate vicinity everyone should quake in fear!” How utterly ridiculous

Russia pre-war #2 military in the world. Hows that non nuclear might working out for it VS little ol Ukraine?

Amazing how you can make assertions that are so utterly worthless in the face of counter evidence staring you in the face every day of your life.

Russians are getting a lesson in how to fight and not fight wars. You’re even further behind them.

Are you aware Russia is more advanced than Iran?

US is balls deep in Ukraine? How can we be balls deep in a country and a war we haven’t stepped foot in? Boy our pecker must be non-existent! Lol.

Our withdrawal of a few thousand military trainers=Full US military might being kicked out by goat herders. Got it. Lol!

Sorry, you have no idea what an Iran vs Israel confrontation would look like. You think you do based on a fantasy land pedestal of imaginary logistical and technological might you’re hoisting Iran on top of despite even bigger fish being humiliated on the world stage on that very same “logic”.

Russia and people like you fell in love with long military parades of marching soldiers, tanks and missile launchers rolling down the street, completely missing that industry and economics are far more important to a war effort than the first volley fired.

Iran has built up a military that has zero ability to sustain itself over the long term. North Korea has built up its military with zero ability to sustain itself over the long term. Lacking economies, They both require and are desperate for nuclear weapons and nuclear capabilities to create an umbrella of protection from counterattack because of the very fact they can’t sustain war worth a crap.

And you would let them have that umbrella wouldn’t you? Just gotta talk the BS talk about how great their military is long enough to buy some time eh?

How pathetic

 

Nice post.
Let us not forget this is a drill, mostly electronic warfare with aircraft practicing interoperability in two languages. And it sends a message to the Iranian government that they aren’t being ignored, and a message to Iran’s protesters that they are visible, and a message to China that Iran is already a cripple if the shooting starts.
The bigger effort is to be able to quickly knock Iran down down to neutrality in if China gets too frisky.

 

Ridiculous?? lol
Iran showed they know the exact layout of US bases, and accurately destroyed them without killing anybody. Nothing and nobody was able to stop that.
It shocked the world that they were able to do that. Israel is within that same vicinity. And you think Israel will have some kind of different outcome?
Nothing shows that it will.

What was the last time that Israel managed to bombard something totally successfully without killing anybody? Like never!

That "little ol Ukraine" would have been squashed like a bug if it wasn't for a multi billion military aid intervention from the west.
How did the US manage to little ol Afghanistan who received no aid what so ever? #1 military in the world ran out of the country with the yellow tail between the legs.

Are you aware how massive Iran is vs Israel?
Iran only needs to turn 3 cities into rubble to make that dot on the world map to only have "cities" less than 250K people.
And it showed it can do so.

Foot in it? Money makes the world turn round. And the US already has spend 50 billion bucks on supporting Ukraine.

Oh I got a pretty much a good idea about it. Iran would never strike first, and wait till they can claim reacting out of self defense when hit first in order to legally destroy Israel.
Israel can not even reach Iran with their air force if it doesn't refuel over Iraq. And refueling is being sitting ducks above Iraq, where Iran already got their equipment to blow them out of the sky!
While Iran doesn't need to fly over. They just send their missiles and suicide drones.

Let me remind you that Israel was not able to stop Hezbollah's +100's of missiles a day hitting Israel the previous time.
Those missiles are not guided flimsy 3rd rated crap, which is nothing like what Iran has in store.
While the biggest fish in the world stage already has been humiliated.
And currently Iran sees that their missiles and drones are unstoppable for the western capabilities.

Your entire idea that Iran is going to march their soldiers around in Israel, or that North Korea is going to do that in the US... like the Russians are doing in Ukraine, is just a laughable comparison.

Iran is already as good as it is, cut of from the world. It is sustaining it. Lesser so with North Korea.
While North Korea can nuclear bomb the US. Their long term ability is to turn LA into a dead zone and sustain it.
Iran's ability is to rather thoroughly destroy Israel, since it just takes 3 cities to flatten.

 

Repeating yourself doesn’t do anything. Are you trying to convince yourself?

Goodness! You can’t even demonstrate accurate knowledge of recent history! The mass arming of Ukraine came after the Russians had already been stopped by Ukraine!

Russia had all the opportunity in the world to “squash Ukraine like a bug.” Time, preparation, technology, numbers, and surprise attacking an opponent from 3 fronts—almost surrounding them from a starting point! And they still got whooped!

Western weapons have just sped up the process of Russian ass whoppery after it was already begun.

And you also have no idea about anything concerning Afghanistan. You don’t even know the Taliban had safe harbor and getting supplied through countries like Pakistan? How do you not know this? You can’t feed, arm, train and recruit an army in mountains. Mountains don’t grow food, clothing, or anything else they’re just giant castles that would be death traps if they weren’t being supplied from outside sources. How do you not know basic army logistics???? No history knowledge, you’re working with 5th grade 1 dimensional understanding of everything. LOL


I’ll tell you what, you figure all this out ^^^ and I’ll respond to the rest of your post because right now I see no reason to continue wasting my breath when you can’t even get the basics down. Learn what I’ve said, take it to heart, adjust your thoughts, and try again.

 

The US government serves at the pleasure of the Israeli government, not vice versa.

 

Right, so just when we see a revolution happening there we attack them, thus giving them them a reason to crack down AND the opportunity to go "see, see told ya so"

Cons NEVER miss an opportunity to kill a few hundred of the people who are FOR us, do they?

 

Strike Iran now and turn the entirety of all Muslim nations against us. Genius . . . NOT! Much less embolden all Iranians against the evil US.

 

Well, I'm not sure how the muzzie nations we're friends with would switch up over this and not something else. I'm pretty sure there are already a LOT of iranians against us, they can **** right off. They can keep learning lessons the hard way.

 

I'm not seeing you dispute what Iran has done.
You're just ignoring it. But that doesn't make it go away.

Flat out not true. Aid was send within the same week that Russia started the war.
I got almost 400 hits when searching with "February" the month when the war started.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

It took till April before the Russians retreated away from Kyiv.
And that's over a month after getting military aid.

Of course the Taliban got their equipment from somewhere. Point is that they didn't get military aid AT ALL, and they still kicked out the US.
Total humiliation.

Ah whataboutism. First Ukraine and Aghanististan...

As long as you do not need to respond to how Iran was able to level US army bases, and the US was helpless against it.
As long as you do not need to respond how Iran's missiles and now drones are used in Ukraine, and the west and Ukraine are still helpless.
As long as you do not need to respond that Israel is a freaking tiny dot of a nation that only got 3 cities above a 250k threshold, and so easily can get knocked out with what Iran has.
As long as you do not need to respond that Israel can't fly to Iran without refueling over Iraq, where Iran already got their missiles ready for it.

It's just the stuff I wrote down from the start about a potential spat between Israel and US.
Got it.

 

You're assuming their pop darts could penetrate the bunkers, or that normal air defenses wouldn't sound the alarm anyway.
Posturing like that tends to mean you're mostly bluffing.

Shooting from iran to iraq is not anything to write home about. We remember our first beer.

Balls deep? BALLS DEEP? Dude: We weren't even balls deep in Afghanistan or Iraq the past 20 years. That was about half the shaft to start with and little more than the tip by the end.
Living memory has not seen the modern US war machine go Balls Deep. The last thing that looked like it was WW2 and that was basically pre nuclear and most of the fun air power toys.
Vietnam might be a decent example, except its post nuclear and we didn't use nukes nor were we fielding our maximum at any time despite using the draft.
You don't want to see us balls deep in anything man.

 

Prone any of that?

 

I think you are mistaking an abundance of patience with helplessness. It could just as easily be Khomeini's or Raisi's hand laying in the grass along the highway as Soleimani's.

And while they did a bit of damage to Al-Assad airbase, it was a far cry from "level"ing it. Here's a satellite photo of the damage. Judge for yourself:

 

I agree-- as would most-- that invading Iraq was a big miscalculation (to put it charitably). But this did not bring an end to the war between Iran and Iraq.

 

How would striking Iran's nuclear program, in any way, help the protestors? Your calculations are even worse than George W. Bush's. Right now, what the protestors have in their favor, is popular support-- not only amongst various religious & ethnic groups, both the young & the old, and among men & women, in Iran, but even within the ranks of some of their police/military who are either sympathetic, or at least restrained, in their response.

If, however, we were to change the narrative, from this being a popular revolutionary movement, to it being an outside attack on Iran, that would only facilitate the government's hardening and escalating of its response, not only thus immunized from world criticism, but w/ armed forces, whose sentiments would be solidified & intensified, against protestors, who could then be viewed as siding with Iran's external enemies.


Stick with your day job-- a foreign affairs analyst, you are not.

 

I think it ended around 1990, then in the 2000's we went to war with Iraq and now talk of war with Iran?

 

It would show the regime is weak.

 

Given their track record, this is nothing but a compliment.

 

I think the talk, from hawks on the Right, is nothing but that. That is, no one, currently, with any power to lead us to war, is talking about it. We had actually helped Iraq, during that war. The Britannica article, I'm linking, gives some interesting details, though doesn't go into the billions in aid, supplied by the U.S. It does explain the reason the rest of the world became so interested, & got involved: because of the "tanker war," in which the two countries were sinking each other's oil tankers. Iran even sunk some, of other Gulf states. This was one reason (beside the Sunni - Shi'ite difference)* that Gulf states like Saudi Arabia, openly supported Iraq. Over a hundred tankers, according to the article, ultimately went down.

Interestingly, though Russia is now an ally of Iran's, even the Soviet Union, back then, supported Iraq, in the war. The article notes all the military equipment which Iraq bought from the U.S.S.R. and from France, in building its million man army (in a country with a population of 18 million). Yet Iran had more men, including untrained, & even unarmed, boys, to just throw at Iraq. The war was also the reason for Iraq developing chemical weapons, which were later, ironically, used as an excuse by the world which had favored Iraq, to then destroy it, giving Iran a belated victory.

The total casualty count was massive: from 1 to 2 million, with about a half million killed.

https://www.britannica.com/event/Iran-Iraq-War




Here is another link, that goes into the U.S. role:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_support_for_Iraq_during_the_Iran–Iraq_War#:~:text=American support for Ba'athist,intelligence, and special operations training.

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American support for Ba'athist Iraq during the Iran–Iraq War, in which it fought against post-revolutionary Iran, included several billion dollars' worth of economic aid, the sale of dual-use technology, military intelligence, and special operations training.[1][2] The U.S. refused to sell arms to Iraq directly due to Iraq's ties to terrorist groups, but several sales of "dual-use" technology have been documented; notably, Iraq purchased 45 Bell helicopters for $200 million in 1985.[3][4] Of particular interest for contemporary Iran–United States relations are accusations that the U.S. government actively encouraged Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein to invade Iran (proponents of this theory frequently describe the U.S. as having given Saddam a green-light), supported by a considerable amount of circumstantial evidence and generally regarded as the conventional wisdom in the Arab world, but the U.S. government officially denies that any such collusion occurred, and no direct documentary proof of it has been found.[5][6]

U.S. government support for Iraq was not a secret and was frequently discussed in open sessions of the Senate and House of Representatives. On June 9, 1992, Ted Koppel reported on ABC's Nightline that the "Reagan/Bush administrations permitted—and frequently encouraged—the flow of money, agricultural credits, dual-use technology, chemicals, and weapons to Iraq."[7]

American views toward Iraq were not enthusiastically supportive in its conflict with Iran, and activity in assistance was largely to prevent an Iranian victory. This was encapsulated by Henry Kissinger when he remarked, "It's a pity they both can't lose."[8][9]




*Edit: I thought this map, was helpful, for understanding the religious balance, in the Mid East:

 

You view the entire Muslim world as one monolithic structure? Why?

Officials in Jordan, Bahrain, the UAE, and Egypt, have repeatedly warned against a nuclear armed Iran. The Saudis begged the US to bomb Iran.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-saudis-iran

 

Protestors are already being accused of siding with Iran's external enemies. The Iranian regime, like all dictatorial regimes, is paranoid and schizophrenic.

I agree that an American attack on Iran might weaken the protestors, but the alternative is far worse for Iran. If Arab states decide that Iran represents a threat that can no longer be tolerated, the resulting war will lead to massacres the likes of which the world hasn't seen for centuries.

 

I see little evidence, at this point, that most Arab nations have the stomach for a war with Iran. It is only Israel, which seems eager for this, as it would anticipate substantial American assistance, in that circumstance.

I think it better to see how this significant internal situation, in Iran, plays out, before other nations prematurely jump, to try to capitalize on Iranian unrest, in ways that might backfire, in the longer term.

 

May I gently draw your attention to the ongoing war between Iran and Saudi Arabia? The Arab world is already at war with Iran, a war Iran is waging for decades outside its borders. Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, Bahrain, Saudi Arabia, are on the receiving end of the Iranian hegemonic ambitions (even the Palestinian Authority is feeling the pressure, but that's another story for another topic).

Arab states are certainly not interested in waging wars, in general, not only against Iran. Neither is Israel. Wars bring instability, which in the Middle East translates mostly as proliferation of terrorist organizations (mostly Sunni) that seek to dethrone the Saudis, conquer Mecca, establish their own versions of Islamic caliphates, and destroy the hated Jewish state. Contrary to the prevailing narrative in your part of the world, instability is very, very, very bad for Israel, as it leads not only to a steep rise in terrorism against Israelis and Jews worldwide, but also to the fall of existing, known enemies, in favor of unknown threats in a rapidly changing environment. For a country whose existence depends on the quality of its intelligence services, and the swiftness of its reactions to threats, regional instability on a big scale is almost a death sentence.

You greatly overestimate the American response to threats on Israel. If you were in Israel during the first Gulf war, when all Israeli citizens had to face the Iraqi missiles attacks daily, and the Israeli government couldn't do anything to protect us in order to keep the fragile Saudi-American alliance alive, you'd refrain from attributing to Israel any nefarious intentions, or high hopes, regarding the fabled American assistance.

I'm very sure that other nations have already "jumped in" trying to quietly capitalize on Iranian unrest. You know, 007-ish style.

I grew up in a dictatorship. Back then, many people there longed for an American invasion.