Israel, US to hold air drill simulating striking Iran nuclear program

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  1. DEFinning

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    May I gently draw your attention to your own words? Yes, I know there are small time exchanges, and proxy fights, but it seemed as if we were talking about open conflict, to challenge the Iranian regime. Are there any indications, that you see, that any of Iran's neighbors are close to being pushed into that, over Iran's nuclear program?


    The U.S. provided Israel with the high tech, Scud missile defense system (probably free of charge). How many Israelis were killed, by those daily, Iraqi missile attacks?

    The fact that some of Israel's leaders-- by which I refer specifically to Benjamin Neyanyahu, though obviously his view is representative of many others'-- have been so vocal, and active, in trying to get us to attack Iran's nuclear sites, belies your assurances that Israel is averse to conflict. Just as you had asserted that Iran's Arab neighbors would not tolerate the Iranian nuclear program, I am saying that you are presenting the Israeli position, only. No other country, has voiced their willingness for such a frontal assault upon Iran. If I am mistaken, please inform me of either the statements of other Middle Eastern leaders, or their actions, which you see as legitimately presaging, such a bold move.
     
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    Still. None of those countries love Israel. They only have strategic alliances. If push comes to shove and the people become radicalized due to White Countries attacking Muslim countries, who knows how many people in those countries become radicalized enough to cause chaos. In each of those countries, they have leaders who don't trust America and Israel. I am just saying that attacking any country just to attack them because we don't like their leadership could have a ripple affect that we do not like. Already, leaders in each of those countries despise us because of our blatant LGBQT promotional agenda's in media. No need to make it worse.
     
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    Iran gave a heads up that they were going to bomb US army bases in Iraq.
    And so the staff and who ever were on those bases ran for the bomb shelters.
    Iran destroyed those all the essential buildings that they saw fit with their laser guided bombs.
    Yet, the bombardment was so heavy that over a 1 in 4 soldiers needed medical attention.
    This shocked the world. And out of nowhere are you downtalking it.
    It's not as if the US was able to stop it.

    Well everybody else understood that what Iran did to the US in Iraq, was a show of brute force, intelligence and pin point accuracy. I dunno how you could have missed it. While it's also well established that Iran is able to hit Israel, easy. It's even more obvious since they shot their first satellite into orbit like a decade ago. Sure, out of an American perspective you can say "so what. But only 9 countries can do so. That's what,.. and Israel is easy to hit if you can do that.

    Says you. I'm looking at how much money got invested in the cause, and it's balls deep alright.
     
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  4. Reality

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    https://www.reuters.com/world/middl...l-erbil-northern-iraq-state-media-2022-03-12/

    Buddy. Please. Try harder so they don't throw you in prison for being a bad propagandist.


    Bro, we have far more money and war material than that. And troops. In afghan and Iraq we didn't even use the draft.
    You haven't seen the full might of the modern US armed forces. Hell you've BARELY seen us put forth a modicum of effort budget-wise.
    It can be so much worse for you. Do not touch the stove, the stove is hot and you'll get burned.
     
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    That's not the attack on the US bases in Iraq.

    While...
    You still don't get it that their laser guided missiles work.
    You still don't get it that their intelligence work.
    You still don't get it that the missiles knocked 1 in 4 people, hiding in bunkers who weren't even hit, to seek medical attention... while those missiles didn't even hit those bunkers but the buildings around them.

    You also still don't get that Israel is totally within range for Iran.
     
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    https://www.npr.org/sections/pictur...le-attack-on-an-iraqi-base-housing-u-s-troops
    No one was killed or seriously injured. You blew up an empty barracks, and did not effect combat readiness.
    Then later you tossed rockets and didn't even hit US property, in the prior link.

    Ya'll are so ineffectual "iran retaliation attack no casualties" is a popular search.

    I don't care that Israel is totally within range for Iran, you're unable to strike the continental United States so your threats are empty and sad.
    You guys want to get your **** pushed in by the Israelis? Its a weird flex, but have at it I guess. Touch the stove. I want you to touch the stove now, so you'll learn. The burned hand teaches best, after all.
     
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    You think I'm an Iranian? lol


    And indeed. At first they employed Baghdad Bob and claim it all was fine.
    But it wasn't.

    https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2...raq-underscored-depth-of-max-pressures-folly/

    11 Iranian ballistic missiles struck the largest military base in Iraq hosting U.S. troops, some leaving craters up to 30 feet wide. The strikes obliterated living quarters, aircraft hangars, and military equipment. For the American troops on the Ayn al Asad base in Iraq that had bunkered down, owing in part to Iran giving advanced warning of the attack to the Iraqi government, it was a harrowing ordeal. In subsequent interviews, those who were on the base shared stories of passing out repeatedly during the hours-long missile barrage and emerging shocked that they survived. More than 100 American military personnel were wounded with traumatic brain injuries, many of whom were later awarded the Purple Heart.

    Israel as a target is totally relevant in a topic how the US and Israel simulate how they are going to attack Iran. While it's not relevant that Iran can't hit the US. They can blow up any US base around them, and Israel. They can shut down that straight, causing the oil price to skyrocket far beyond to what we got now. And they can all do that without leaving their borders, out of self defense if Israel thinks it's a good idea to go attack Iran with the help of the US.
     
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    None of Iran's neighbors are close to being pushed into that. Iran's neighbors are pushing for that at least since Obama's first term. Obama's love story with the Iranian regime was the determining factor behind the apparently surprising flip-flop in Arab countries' attitudes toward Israel, since Arabs, like Israelis before them, understood that the US would throw them under the Iranian nuclear bus in a heartbeat.

    Saudis begged the Obama administration to attack Iran. The leaked cables were published by Wikileaks in 2008.
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2010/nov/28/us-embassy-cables-saudis-iran

    Patriots? Seriously? Patriots were useless. Luckily, missile attacks took place at night, when the risk of being hit by the falling debris of Patriot missiles, in addition to the debris of the Scuds, was very low.

    I almost put you on ignore for your unbelievably stupid question.

    Would you find it acceptable if China sends missiles flying into Taiwan daily, at random, as long as few Taiwanese get killed in such attacks? Would you find it acceptable if North Korea sends missiles flying into South Korea daily, at random, as long as few Koreans get killed in such attacks? Would you find acceptable if Israel sends missiles flying into Iran, daily, at random, as long as few Iranians get killed in such attacks? Would you find it acceptable if any other state, except for the Jewish state, was subjected to such attacks?

    If your answer is "yes" to any of my questions, don't bother answering me. Just put me on ignore.
     
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    If you think that Muslims in MENA get radicalized because of white people attacking their countries, you don't know anything at all about the region - its history, its people, its religions, its customs, its cultures.

    Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Jordan, and Pakistan, wouldn't even exist today if it wasn't for the white people.

    Arabs hate and fear the Iranian regime more than they hate and fear Israel.

    Iran's actions in the Middle East and beyond are the cause of the aforementioned hate and fear, not mere antipathy for its leadership.
     
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    Did I ever say that I found it acceptable? I could've sworn that the way the conversation went, was that you claimed that Israel's leaders don't encourage the U.S. to fight its MidEast enemies, because Israel gets targeted, when that happens-- as during the first Gulf War-- and the U.S., didn't even do anything to help the Israelis, nor was Israel allowed to, so that citizens spent their days hiding from Iraqi missiles. So I pointed out, that the U.S. supplied Israel with a state of the art, and very expensive, albeit not perfect, missile defense system. And from what you just said, you confirmed that you had been exaggerating the degree of the missile "bombardment" threat. That doesn't mean that I think it's O.K. You should really pay more attention to your translating of others' words. I was just suggesting that, for taking Saddam Hussein out of Israel's way, it probably was not nearly as terrible of a trade off, as you'd made it out to be, especially for a people that is not easily traumatized, by having military ordnance fired at them.

    As for the first part of your post, I am not surprised, in the least, that MidEast countries wanted us to attack Iran: as I'd intimated, I think this is the standard way things go. I do not see Saudi Arabia's wanting the U.S. to attack Iran, as proof that they, themselves, were prepared to do so. You will need provide more compelling proof than this, to make me believe that, if not for Obama, the Gulf States would've attacked Iran. In truth, that seems a preposterous suggestion. That would mean a real war. The bombing raids that the Saudis have flown over impoverished Yemen, are not "real" combat-- certainly not compared to an all-out war with Iran.

    So, in summation, it seems everyone, including Israel, wants us to either fight their battles for them, or at least help them fight. If Neyanyahu was not expecting us to help Israel fight Iran, it was rather odd that he came to speak to our Congress, to try to prevent our signing the nuclear deal with Iran. As potent a force as tiny Israel is, I do not believe they relish the idea of taking on the much larger Iran, all by themselves. Even if some are willing to attack Iran's nuclear infrastructure, on their own, that is not evidence that, if Iran's response was massive, Israel would not want the aid of the U.S.
     
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    100% True.
     
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    If 100 were wounded with TBI, 100 PH would be issued. Notice how your article doesn't say how many were awarded :) Tsk tsk tsk.

    Again: No one in the US cares that you think you can hit Israel as in: It doesn't bother us and we really wish you would **** around and find out. They'll maul the **** out of you, it will be absolutely hilarious.
    Its very relevant that you cannot strike our homeland but we can strike yours at will and in fact turn it into a radioactive sheet of glass without actually expending much of our munitions or much effort.
    Or we could just conventionally bomb you with stealth bombers from a height you are unable to defend against. Your government lives because it essentially holds your citizenry hostage. They know we are loathe to kill so many collaterals you're using as human shields. The moment your government is so foolish as to actively strike Israel, that limitation goes away.
     
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    It's not a given that getting a concussion means you get a purple heart. Hence I fail to see any problem.
    https://www.npr.org/2011/03/17/134604533/army-revising-purple-heart-rules-for-soldiers

    Nobody in Iran cares about that, when Israel has a joint attack with the US. They just blow up Israel while cripple the western economy to halt all the oil that flows through the straights.
     
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    Dude I got a concussion playing a child's game my people encourage their youths to begin at a very young age.
    That's not anything to write home about, again. And again: That's STILL not the fixing the fact that your source feels the need to puff itself up without disgorging the actual number. Try harder.

    Buddy, seriously: If you attack Israel we're essentially obligated to glass your nation. I wouldn't suggest it, but you're of course free to act as you think you must.

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    I don't see any need to dispute the source just because the exact number of purple hearts is missing.
    I sourced there is not even a need to hand them out when they get hurt like that.
    So no points for you.

    if I attack? my nation? Why so personal? It's not as if I ever stated that I'm from Iran.
    Did the fact that Iran bombed the crap about a bunch of losers cowering into a bunker upset you?
    Is the fact that the US was totally powerless to stop that upsetting you a bit? Or is it some combo?

    Look here buddy.
    Israel and the US are doing the drills to potentially strike first, and not as a defense thing.
    When Israel attacks Iran first with or without the US, Iran will just flatten the entire country.
    And Iran will have the full right to do so out of self defense.
    The US or Israel have no right to just attack whatever. They are the baddies when they do.

    Do note. I'm not labelling you as an Israeli about to be blown up with it's entire country or something. Unlike your genocidal idea's about me.
     
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    Several years ago, in reviewing Iranian military capabilities, I mentioned that while Iran has the clear ability to inflict serious harm to all of its adversaries; shut off the main trade routes (not merely the Straits of Hormuz but even the Suez canal) that are the life line of the global economic system; do even more damage to oil and gas facilities in the region than the damage Russia has done to Ukraine's energy infrastructure recently; and turn much of Israel (including its version of a mini "Silicon Valley") into dust; it also has 3 clear weaknesses:
    1. in a game of chicken, the folks with the nukes aimed at Iran might be more inclined to test to see if Iran blinks;
    2. the governmental, military, and security apparatus in Iran is somewhat compromised by infiltrators, influencers, spies, middlemen and corruption, while a portion of the population have either surrendered already or are quite eager to do so, giving 5th columnists and saboteurs among them plenty of room to do damage;
    3. even if bloodying its adversaries would ordinarily be enough to deter them from a war of choice, for deterrence to really work, you need to make sure those holding the trigger and doing the cheerleading care about those who will be bloodied.
    The military balance for Iran has improved. But the weaknesses I allude to have become worse.
     

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