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I was wondering that myself.
Is (3) going to be, "He promised to limit illegal immigration but he hasn't, which is bad because he should", or is it going to be "He promised to limit illegal immigration which is bad because he shouldn't"?

 

The only fascists are on the left, stifling public discourse by shutting down conservative voices. The IRS situation is just the tip of the iceberg.

It’s the left that forces big brother government on us.

 

You didn't see it. That's the problem.

 

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   Oh really? I see they haven't shut you down yet. Let me know when that happens and I'll help you. Adios, amigo!

 

Perhaps you could show it to me.
That site is potpourri of all sorts of different people, so I wouldn't be surprised if there is some obscure poster who is a genuine xenophobe. But
I look at the site from time to time and haven't seen any evidence of that particular sin in the things I've looked at.
But you obviously have, so I'll wait for you to post a link to it.
Or do you mean Judith Curry is a xenophobe? If so, evidence please.

 

Like I said. I don't thonk you see.

 

Well, presumably you think that because you do see. You must read What's Up With That regularly, or perhaps occasionally but thoroughly, and you have found serious evidence of genuine xenophobia, something I should have seen in my own occasional reading. It doesn't show much evidence of editorial control, so it's not impossible that a xenophobe has posted something.

So, just tell me where to find it. If someone tells me there is a unicorn in that field over there, one that I've just walked through, then surely they should point it out. If they don't, I have to conclude that there is no unicorn there, and that the person I'm dealing with has some sort of unicorn obsession.
Anyway, just get on to that website, as you have clearly done before -- otherwise you wouldn't have made that accusation -- and find a few xenophobic comments.

 

Naive.

 

Why do you keep on trying to hurt my feelings?

 

OP has severe mental issues no doubt, but TDS has been proven to be fatal just the other day


It was created for 70% of this forum, it's called the Natty for short.

 

thanks for your concern. that was very liberal of you.

 

Please stop bothering Gorgeous George -- he's busy looking in WUWT for evidence of xenophobia that I didn't see.

 

Ya see, when you make blatantly absurd comments like "the only fascist are on the left" one has to seriously question if you actually believe it or you just have a rather peculiar rhetorical wit.

Nobody wants to shut down conservative voices. But they sure as hell want to shut down racist biggoted, nazi, white nationalist , anti constitutional bullshit.

 

Wiggnats make up a rather substantial % of the white nationalist movement.

I do agree that extremist racists exist on both sides of the political spectrum, but one does not excuse the other unless you are a trumpette, I guess.

and comparisons to nazis is not disingenuous in the least. Its based on the actions and words of this administration and the vocal support for its Dear Leader from the actual far right scumbags themselves.

Civic nationalism?

OMG who knew that trump and the trumpettes were closet liberals while proclaiming their conservatism.

 

I'm sure they do. However the white nationalist movement is a tiny and mopstly seperate minority of the nationalist movement in general that advocates for 'America First' civic nationalism for all Americans.

No excuse was attempted. It was a comparison of size and influence for context.

Citation needed.

'liberal' includes the following definitions:
-willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.
-relating to or denoting a political and social philosophy that promotes individual rights, civil liberties, democracy, and free enterprise.
-relating to a Liberal party or (in the UK) the Liberal Democrat Party.
-given, used, or occurring in generous amounts

You may note Civic nationalism "...adheres with traditional liberal values..." with the lower case 'l' indicating its not referring to the political party (more accurately defined as the neoliberal ideology) but rather referring to the classical (ie traditional) liberalism of the Thomas Jefferson sort.

Conservatism is in fact Classical liberalism.

"Classical liberalism
Classical liberalism is a political ideology and a branch of liberalism which advocates civil liberties and political freedom with representative democracy under the rule of law and emphasizes economic freedom"
-Wikipedia

also

"Definition of Classical Liberalism
In the areas of Democracy and Citizenship, Classical Liberalism has the following meaning: A political philosophy that places high value on individual freedom based on a belief in natural rights that exist independent of government. In its pure form, for example in contemporary libertarian thought, it holds that the best government is minimal in scope, providing security, but promoting laissez-faire policies towards morality, religion, the economy, and the rest of social life."
https://dictionary.lawi.us/classical-liberalism/

or

"Classical liberalism
Classical liberalism is a political philosophy and ideology belonging to liberalism in which primary emphasis is placed on securing the freedom of the individual by limiting the power of the government."
https://www.sciencedaily.com/terms/classical_liberalism.htm

or

"Classical liberalism is a political ideology that is committed to the ideal of limited government, and liberty of individuals including freedom of religion, speech, press, assembly and free markets. Classical liberalism places particular emphasis on the sovereignty of the individuals, with private property rights being seen as an essential to individual liberty.

Classical liberalism holds that individual rights are natural, inherent, or inalienable, and exists independently of the government."
https://definitions.uslegal.com/c/classical-liberalism/

 

Yep that's liberalism. Who'd a thunk that liberals believe that crap, eh?

and I don't for a second believe that the white nationalist movement is a small subset of "civic nationalism" because in this case civic nationalism would mean adherence to the constitution and white nationalism doesn't believe in equality, nor freedom or liberty for those not like them.

But I get how "civic nationalism" is a much less inflammatory word, kind alike "alt-right" instead of batcrap crazy far right fascist scumbags.

 

Yes, that's right, white nationalists are not civic nationalists in the US because any implementation of any ethnocentric nationalism would be unconstitutional.

However, what you havn't demonstrated is any objective measure by which you're judging those who claim to be nationalist as white nationalist instead of civic nationalist.

 

I haven't heard of 'civic nationalism' before.
Who are they, what are their websites, what books have they written?
A few years ago, Michael Lind, one of the better liberals, wrote a book called The Next American Nation: The New Nationalism and the Fourth American Revolution . But generally, 'nationalism' is a word associated with the Right, not the Left, in the advanced countries. And it's always asserted against some foreign enemy.

At the moment, the Far Left is pushing hard to make whites feel guilty and ashamed of being white -- the concept of 'white privilege' is all about that. Of course there will be a pushback, from people who haven't thought much about the subject, and then find that they are not at all ashamed that their ancestors built Western civilization, which has done so much to advance mankind.

From there it won't be a great distance to outright 'white consciousness', and from there, to 'white pride' and from there to something that could be very ugly.

Whether that happens depends on whether the genuine liberals, who seem to be a dwindling band, head off and marginalize the Far Left. But probably the short term electoral advantages of pandering to the likes of Al Sharpton will overcome any qualms they, or at least their leaders who are involved in electoral politics, have.

 

For starters all those trump supporters who think that trump's racist tweets aren't racist are defending ethnic nationalism and since the "unpatriotic, hateful, others" are all brown one can safely conclude that one helluva big chunk of those people are white nationalists.

When the example of what ethnic discrimination under federal law is used verbatim in trump's tweets, and his supporters claim he isn't a bigot and neither are they, then its time for them to seriously look themselves in the mirror and have a serious come to jesus moment.

 

Cite the ethnic bigotry in Trumps tweets.

All I saw was 'bigotry' against hypocrites and traitors. Which Im fine with.

Their skin color is coincidental.

Trump has insulted white America haters plenty of times.

 

Er, the example of ethnic discrimination used to explain federal law, is "go back to where you came from". I realize this is a major intellectual challenge for some to make the connection between the trump's verbatim useage of the example to attack four brown citizens of the country and it being bigotry.

Keep rationalizing. It makes living with reality so much easier, doesn't it?

If criticizing America or its politicians is being a traitor, then congratulations you live in a nation of traitors, protected by the very constitution that it was founded on in the first place. But I can totally understand how cognitive dissonance is the best defense.

 

If criticizing people who criticize the nation is 'racist' when they happen to be a certain skin color, then they are a protected class based on their skin color and that is also racist.

 

"America, love it or leave it!" was a very popular bumper sticker during the Vietnam War. What Trump said is an extension of this.

He was stupid to say it in the way he did, because he violated a taboo. The taboo is this: you are not supposed to refer to the fact that African countries are, to a large degree dysfunctional, as are, to a lesser extent, many Latin American countries.

Liberals don't like to think about this, so they avoid the subject. The more extreme people on the Left will tell you it's all the white man's fault, but they don't even believe that themselves.

The horrible reality of these countries is a direct refutation of the popular belief on the Left that 'all cultures are equal'. For a long time, the unstated assumption was that immigrants from these cultures would assimilate to the more advanced culture of their new homeland, and to a large extent, they have. But this may be changing -- it's still an open question whether Muslims can transcend the hideous intolerance of their own religion. In European countries which have accepted large numbers of Muslim immigrants, it's far from certain that they will. Many have, but many haven't. Hispanic assimilation seemed to be going pretty well, but having effectively Open Borders will put this at risk.

There is another issue as well, which is formally completely unrelated to the question of immigrant backwardness: the United States has been overwhelmingly a pro-Israel country. As more and more Muslims arrive, this will change. There have been, occasionally, Congressmen who have mentioned, critically, the power of "the Lobby", but they tended to sink without trace. As we get Congressional Districts which are immune from AIPAC influence, we're going to see more and more Omars. If they're smart, they will ally with liberal-minded Jews, who in their majority are far from being mindless Jewish nationalists. (In fact, American Jews are more critical of Trump's pro-Israeli attitude than American Christians are.) Influential American Muslims and Jews working together in the future, with a sympathetic Administration, just might be able to pull off the only humane solution in the Middle East: an imposed two-state solution.

 

Keep up the mental contortions. It's all ya got.

Send her back is in the definition of DISCRMINATION under federal law. Yep its racist. Whine all you want.

 

'Send her back' =\= 'go back'

One insinuates the use of force.

Link to the law and lets see what it actually says.