Issues, We've got Issues

What race is being discriminated against? They are saying that because she did not LEGALLY migrate here

 

Oh look the president is a bigot and "send her back" is just as bigoted.


https://www.eeoc.gov/eeoc/publications/immigrants-facts.cfm


Immigrants' Employment Rights Under Federal Anti-Discrimination Laws

Harassment Based on National Origin

• Ethnic slurs and other verbal or physical conduct because of nationality are illegal if they are severe or pervasive and create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment, interfere with work performance, or negatively affect job opportunities. Examples of potentially unlawful conduct include insults, taunting, or ethnic epithets, such as making fun of a person's foreign accent or comments like, "Go back to where you came from, " whether made by supervisors or by co-workers.

 

The race issue arises for the following reason: all four of these people have disdain, at a minimum, for the actually existing America. This is nothing new -- it's the default position for those people who are left of conventional liberalism. I'm not saying they're wrong in this, by the way. It's just a fact.If you're not white, it takes an extra effort to love a country founded by white people who either stole your ancestors' land, or literally stole your ancestors. Many non-white people have made that effort, and good for them. White people don't really understand how non-whites can feel. So the response of "If you don't like it here, go somewhere else" is natural, although not thoughtful.

But then there is a second step: "If you don't like it here, go back to where you -- or your ancestors -- came from". Here is where the race issue arises: most countries run by white people are fairly decent places, with the rule of law, and economic prosperity. There are exceptions -- Russia being the big one, and various East European countries just on the edge of respecting the rule of law.

Most Muslim countries haven't achieved this state yet, almost no African country has (Botswana may be an exception, and there is slow progress being made in other African countries), and it's pretty perilous in Latin America -- even in those Latin American countries which were actually settled by Europeans, although by non-Protestant Europeans, like Argentina. (Leave aside any American contribution towards getting those countries into their present state.)

And the Asian countries show that prosperity, and a brittle form of the rule of law, aren't white monopolies: Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Singapore sort of.
And the Peoples Republic shows that you can have prosperity without the rule of law as we know it.

India is on the road to prosperity, despite widespread corruption, and has more or less had democracy and a pretty frayed version of the rule of law for several decades, although lynched Muslims and Sikhs wouldn't think so. The rule of law in America only slowly and fitully extended to non-whites and the white working class.

But the response of "If you think America is bad, go somewhere else -- and if you think white people are bad, go to someplace ruled by people who look like you" is a natural reponse. But natural does not mean wise. You don't have to say everything you think.

What Trump said was stupid, because it helps open up the racial fracture lines that we must pretend do not exist. It's exactly what the far Left want to see.

 

In this case its Somalian black person. Its ethnic discrimination. Its the example used by the federal government to describe what it is.

You can argue if it is "racist" but you can't argue its bigotted. Its clear and indefensible.

 

I see what you are saying. These four women who are all examples of american success stories in the land of opportunity and who actually got elected to congress and even swore an oath to defend the constitution are in reality enemies of the nation. Nefarious brown people who regardless of their citizenship are secretly wanting to destroy the country because they hate it.

The response to "if you think America is bad, go somewhere else" should be "why didn't you when obama was President - friggin hypocrite".

 

What race is being discriminated against? No one is chanting for "the black lady" to leave. They are chanting for the woman who ILLEGALLY entered to leave.

If I entered your house without your permission...would you feel obligated to ask me to leave? Or would that be racist?

That's why your argument keeps failing.

 

"America, love it or leave it", which is the same idea, was directed at white lefties and hippies. People like anti-aircraft gunner Jane Fonda. And the assumption was that some people -- those who were invited to leave -- believe there is something deeply rotten about America, far beyond who happens to be holding political office at the moment. In fact, Obama's victory was direct proof that the America-haters are completely wrong.

Of course, to openly say you despise this country is not politically smart if you're running for office. The people who have this attitude, and who aren't burdened by that consideration, are the ones who want to pull down the statues of Thomas Jefferson, slave-owner, who burn the American flag, who want to paint out or cover up school murals with George Washington, another slave-owner (and probably a trans-phobe as well!). They're the ones who don't want to fly the American flag at their universities. This is a tendency which is spreading within liberal circles, starting with the young, although it's not at all the attitude of traditional American liberalism.

 

So its potentially unlawful if Trump were their 'supervisor or co-worker.'

Can Trump fire them or get them fired? How would you demonstrate Trump's tweets "create an intimidating, hostile or offensive working environment, interfere with work performance, or negatively affect job opportunities"?

Note: 'offensive working environment' precedentially requires proof of harrassment or evidence that the victim's career choices were negatively effected by the conditions in order for it to be legally considered 'offensive.'

https://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/offensive+work+environment

 

Unbelievable. Its racist, its fits the definition given in the federal law.

I don't have an argument, I have facts. You have a failing argument in a lame attempt to defend your bigotted president.

But then again, bigots rarely have the balls to admit it, but they sure do have the balls to defend it.

 

you are too friggin much. obviously you aren't getting the message. White privilege in action.

 

I'm getting the message loud and clear: 'Stop supporting Trump.'

Offer up someone better who will: put America(ns) before the world, reject the PC culture of censorship, value sovereignty and individual rights over the collective, and I will support them.

Being sensitive and diplomatic and pandering to peoples feelings, while important in a leader and lacking in Trump, take a distant back seat to that mentioned above, and are certainly not worth sacrificing my individual liberty to the collective, as those more seemingly concerned with the feelings of the masses tend to promote.

 

when I read the WUWT website, I don't find that it's a pseudo-science website ... the MediaBiasFactCheck just

Fusion plants, certainly. Fission plants no It's fairly obvious that fission is a VERY Expensive and extremely dangerous stopgap on the way to Fusion. It's a waste of money.

 

The "It's too expensive" part I cannot answer. If so, then so. Otherwise, I think it's very safe compared to other forms of generating usable energy. Just locate the plants a long way from civilization, like in Montana or North Texas.

As for fusion, of course ... IF we can make it work. When I was a teenager, I went to a summer school for pointy-headed kids who were interested in science. We had various speakers come to us, and one of them began his talk by saying, "I'm going to tell you a word none of you have ever heard -- magnetohydrodynamics." (And he was right.) He told us about fusion power, how you had to contain the plasma in a magnetic 'bottle', and all the difficult engineering problems they faced. He said it would be ten years before they solved them.

This was in 1959. In about 1990, I went to a talk in London given by somebody from the JET project in Oxford ('Joint European Taurus' and I'll bet good money you know what a taurus is -- but they should have given credit where it's due and called it the Joint European Tokamak). He said the engineering problems were quite difficult, and it would be 25 years before they something that put out more power than it took in. So I'm a bit jaded each time I hear about progress in this area, especially as I now understand something about the tasks given to the public relations departments of big expensive projects that depend on public funding, but ... let's keep trying.

 

How insightful. Yes its all about values and the priorities we place on them.

Trump puts himself before Americans and the World. That much is painfully clear.
Trump rejects PC culture of censorship by whining that the media is the enemy of the people, and overt racist bullshit is "being american".
Individual rights over the collective? Yes, of course for those in the mob of course, everyone else - back the frig up.

He is a low life. He has desecrated the Office of President. He has broken America's word to both allies and adversaries. He is dividing the nation in unprecedented ways. He is a crook and fraud artist. He owned the exact same operation as Epstein used to commit the crimes he has been charged with. He's an intellectual midget and now he has pulled his pants down and shown the world he's a raging friggin bigot.

Yep its all a matter of how we prioritize our values, and its obvious we have entirely different criteria and weighting.

 

The rest of that is 'like, just your opinion, man' (to quote The Dude).

Citation required for w/e th your talking about for the emboldened...

 

To understand why some conservatives support Donald Trump, liberals need to imagine a situation in which Al Sharpton had won the Democratic Presidential nomination, and was facing, say, Ted Cruz.

Can you put your hand on your heart and say you would not have voted for Al Sharpton?

 

A well informed opinion, man.


https://www.motherjones.com/politic...p-model-management-illegal-immigration/#testb

 

Epstein is charged with sex trafficking. Nothing in that article even attempted to tie Trump to sex trafficking.

If thats what you're referring to, you are misinformed.