It’s Not Progressive Christianity, It’s Accommodationist Christianity, and It Has Nothing of Christ

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    ….The first group I call Anchored, meaning, they anchor their truths in the Word of God. It’s not their only source of truth, but they are convinced that where it speaks, it speaks truly and with authority. So their goal is to understand it properly and follow it faithfully. They know they fall short, but the goal remains for them regardless.

    The second group I call Accommodationist, meaning that they’ll give honor in some sense to the Word of God, but they want their message to fit in better with the world somehow. They’re Christian in name, but they don’t mind altering their message to make it more accommodating to the world.

    Accommodationism comes in all kinds of flavors, but none more obvious than Progressive Christianity. Progressive Christians like the Bible well enough in the places where they think it’s inspiring, where it tells them about love and sharing and good things God wants to give us. They like it a lot less when it makes people uncomfortable. They set it completely on those points, or else they come up with creative new interpretations….










    Read more: https://stream.org/its-not-progressive-christianity-its-accommodationist-christianity-and-it-has-nothing-of-christ-in-it/









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    he authors opinion on this matter is exactly right. The points made are all well researched and backed up. This is sound Christian theology being expressed here. The entire rather long but informative article is a good read.
     
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    Jesus is our anchor. He is grace and truth. The Bible is Gods literal message of love for and to humanity. We are to follow both events when unpopular or there’s a clash with what modern 21st century progressives think, even if they think their modernity trumps Gods commands or Jesus words on a given subject
     
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    Who has it right?

    Interesting discovery, the oldest bible ever found, seems to show the bible as is known today is not as it originally was

    "1500-Year-Old Bible Found In Turkey Is Stirring Up Controversy About Christianity"

    https://www.sunnyskyz.com/good-news...Is-Stirring-Up-Controversy-About-Christianity

    ""Much to the dismay of the Vatican, an approx. 1500-2000 year old bible was found in Turkey, in the Ethnography Museum of Ankara. Discovered and kept secret in the year 2000, the book contains the Gospel of Barnabas – a disciple of Christ – which shows that Jesus was not crucified, nor was he the son of God, but a Prophet. The book also calls Apostle Paul "The Impostor". The book also claims that Jesus ascended to heaven alive, and that Judas Iscariot was crucified in his place."
     
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    More Gnostic Heresy.
     
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    Did it also say that Isaiah was lying. 53:12 Therefore will I divide him a portion with the great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong; because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he was numbered with the transgressors; and he bare the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors.

    Not to mention that without Jesus death and resurrection, there can be no salvation.
     
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    or Accommodationist for the rewrite of the bible over time, getting away from the original
     
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    you can't kill a God, was Jesus God?

    probably why the bible is conflicted on what Jesus last words were, the writers really should have got their stories straight

    Matt.27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."

    Luke23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."

    John19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."
     
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    Stay close to God, XX. It will get much worse.
     
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    That's silly. Three different men cross the same bridge. The point in each instance is that he suffered himself to die. And even though he had done no wrong, he died for mankind. He did not return evil for evil to persevere in this mean world. Instead he returned kindness because that was his Fathers will and crucial to the plan of salvation. It all hinged on him. He is Gods offering to the eternal laws of justice which mankind broke.
     
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    Thanks for the good advice! I appreciate it. You are right .
     
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    if the bible got the last words wrong, then what else did it get wrong?

    "he returned kindness because that was his Fathers will"

    so he was not God, his father was God?
     
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    It didn't get anything wrong. The Apostles are men, not robots loaded with recordings. They each gave their accounting. Thru those accountings, they each testify of his death. And each with something peculiar to the event. In total we get an idea of the things Jesus said and that he gave up the ghost.

    He is God the Son, and does God the Fathers will. He always defers to God the Father for the cause of love and honor for his Father. But they are one in spirit. Hence the third part of the trinity, the Holy Spirit, which is representative of them both. Jesus said "I am in the Father and the Father is in me. If you have seen and heard me, you have seen and heard the Father."
     
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    it did get that wrong, they all 3 can't be right, only one was his was words right before he gave up the ghost

    it he is not God, then he is not the father, agree, that was how the original story was supposed to go... he was the Son of God

    when Christianity was created it was to replace the Jewish religion, no one would have bought into it if they had said Jesus was God, but saying he was the Son of God and it was a part two worked

    the people wanted a new religion, not one that stoned people for picking up sticks on the weekend.. but they wanted to still believe in their God
     
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    Except that the woke Old Testament pointed to the advent of the Messiah and what he’s do and how he’d die to save us from sin. God knew from the beginning that His people would not accept the Messiah as from Him and that The faithful portion of the Christian Church would be His people to the 2nd coming. Of course all saved people old and New Testament, inside or outside his people of a time will be His people. There is no conflict between the three accounts as all three things happened to Him before He died.
     
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    exactly, which is why Christianity was created and Jesus was the Son of God, not God himself - the Son of God was the Messiah

    best way to convert people from Judaism at the time

    as for his final words, only one can be correct... the bible got it wrong the other times
     
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    "No True Scotsman" defense. Boring.
     
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    Or you can make believe that it's all make believe. And rather than seek understanding, seek to hide from understanding. One may also defer to ones conscience or put it away and run contrary to it. We can also obey fair laws or break them. But there is punishment affixed.

    The Judeo/Christian ethic is that life is probation, and that in the end there will be an accounting, a call to order, to stand front and center before God, who sees our very hearts, souls, spirits, thoughts, and intentions. All that we know of ourselves, he knows in tandem as we know it...and more. It is the truth. So it becomes us to be inclined to honesty, and set aside petty, self serving agendas.

    I know that God is real, that he lives and is divine. And whether the Father or Son, it is irrelevant because they are one in spirit. Jesus Christs Gospel is the call to faith, repentance and rebirth via water and spirit, which is baptism and reception of the gift of the Holy Spirit/Ghost.

    I realize that this seems counter intuitive or contrary to mortality and the secular way, which is the way of the world and the entirety of our lives. But as the salmon are born in peaceful waters and go easily to the ocean. So they must return against the swift and raging current that first carried them so easily downstream.
     
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    I provided the quotes, but the book is make believe, like other myths from the middle east, those just help prove it

    which is fine, believing in a God is ok, nothing wrong with that - but the bible is not the word of any God
     
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    You provided quotes which collectively substantiate Jesus Christs death, the circumstance and some words he spoke. They are not rehearsed chants from a hymnal. But first hand accounts from the perspectives of some in attendance. If you have a little money in each pocket, and put it all in a pile, it is a collective, not a disparity of nothingness. But you know this. Playing dumb does not make the truth go away.
     
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    And it's been occurring since Christ might have died on a cross.
     
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    And this has exactly what to do with the subject, the differences in belief between evangelical and progressive Christians on doctrines and belief?
     
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    It’s a terrible thing that happened and there should be sadness for the victims and punishment for the perps but this should be a stand alone thread as it’s not at all what this thread on evangelical vs progressive Christianity is about.
     
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    And you're probably working off a King James version of the Bible- which was someone else's more modern interpretation of Jesus' intentions -

    If God thought the Bible was important, he would have made it appear in every hovel, every home, every castle, in every language all
    at the same time. But that's not what happened. Hell, even a middle aged English house wife was able to get her books published
    in every country, in every language in less than two months - it took God over 1,500 years after Christ.
     

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