It all began before the Civil War

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  1. Flanders

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    No surprise here:

    Obama seeks more education funds
    By Lyndsey Layton

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ucation-funds/2012/02/13/gIQARo60AR_blog.html

    No amount will satisfy the parasites in the education industry:

    It is said that the dinosaur had a tiny brain in a huge body, which undoubtedly contributed to its extinction. This huge body also required an enormous amount of food for its survival. The public education establishment has the same characteristics: small brain, huge body, enormous appetite for taxpayer money — its only means of survival.​

    Republicans and Democrats alike feed the sick dinosaur.

    Obviously, Democrats enlarge and enrich the parasite class at every turn. Unfortunately, Republicans have shown themselves to be just as bad. That’s why it is so difficult to stop those people.

    Deciding who to vote for should be a simple matter. Forget the media sales pitch that sells big government under the pretense of reporting the differences between the two parties. Voters only have to ask themselves one question: “Am I living on tax dollars?” If the answer is “No” there is NEVER a sound reason to vote for a Democrat.

    I can’t find a good reason to vote for the Republican either, but those are only choices irrespective of a few maverick parties. No matter who wins the election nothing is going to change for the benefit of private sector Americans. The parasite class will grow in size, individual liberties will shrink, and America’s sovereignty will come closer to vanishing altogether.

    NOTE: The Tea party is shaping up as a splinter party. Should they get enough decent people in Congress they might make a difference. Only time will tell.

    I can understand Hussein paying off the Democrat party’s longest-running, most loyal, constituency. I will never understand why Republicans get away with claiming they are different when they throw money at Democrat party parasites feeding at the public trough? If Republicans gave the education industry all of the money in the world they would still work for the Democrat party.

    Has anyone else noticed how those Republican wannabes still standing spend all of their time advocating grand themes unaccompanied by details when they are not telling us how conservative they are? But have you heard a one of them mention shutting down the Department of Education lately?

    Edmund Burke (1729 - 1797) could have been talking about public education when he said:

    "The true danger is when liberty is nibbled away, for expedience, and by parts."

    As soon as teachers owned the children they began nibbling away at everything else. For the record, “educators” began nibbling away at liberty in the 19th century:


    The idea of centralized, government-controlled education was imported into this country from Prussia in 1843 by Horace Mann the Secretary of the Massachusetts Board of Education, who believed that Americans could adapt the Prussian system to American needs. It had everything our statist control-freaks wanted: government education of teachers in state seminaries; a state directed curriculum; state-approved textbooks; compulsory school attendance; truant officers; and obedient parents. Toward the end of the 19th century, the system became the perfect means to indoctrinate children to become the obedient subjects of the growing industrial-government establishment.​

    I’ve often said that schools for government are Socialist seminaries. I was referring to people who train for government “service.” Now I can see that teachers’ colleges are also Socialist seminaries.

    After nearly two centuries of glorifying teachers here’s a must-read piece in two parts for everyone who wants to understand how and when the corrosion began:


    Public Education: The Sick Dinosaur on Fed Life Support
    Written by Samuel Blumenfeld
    Tuesday, 14 February 2012 12:39

    It is said that the dinosaur had a tiny brain in a huge body, which undoubtedly contributed to its extinction. This huge body also required an enormous amount of food for its survival. The public education establishment has the same characteristics: small brain, huge body, enormous appetite for taxpayer money — its only means of survival.

    The government school is also obsolete, a product of 19th century utopian reformers who believed in the perfectibility of man and a secular government education as the means to salvation. None of their ideas have panned out.

    The idea of centralized, government-controlled education was imported into this country from Prussia in 1843 by Horace Mann the Secretary of the Massachusetts Board of Education, who believed that Americans could adapt the Prussian system to American needs. It had everything our statist control-freaks wanted: government education of teachers in state seminaries; a state directed curriculum; state-approved textbooks; compulsory school attendance; truant officers; and obedient parents. Toward the end of the 19th century, the system became the perfect means to indoctrinate children to become the obedient subjects of the growing industrial-government establishment.

    Although Americans at the time, in the 1830s and ‘40s, were enjoying full educational freedom and patronizing the growing number of private academies, Mann and his fellow statists saw the public school as the best means of imposing social control over the children of the poor immigrants who were flooding the United States as well as Americans who greatly valued private education.

    But the whole idea of centralized, government-monopoly education is totally incompatible with the values of a free society. But these statist ideas, which swept over America in the wake of the industrial revolution and the rise of socialism, are now being seen by more and more Americans as impediments to true education. The computer has heralded a post-industrial information age in which decentralization and privatization are now the imperatives of the future development of a dynamic, high-tech, market economy.

    The government school is an anachronism. Not only does it no longer serve the basic purposes of education, and not only has it become a huge parasite on the national economy, but it is blocking the development of the new technology-driven private institutions that will be needed in America’s future. The public is addicted to government education because it has been with us for 169 years and most people cannot even imagine education without government control.

    Even though about two million parents are now homeschooling their children quite successfully without government supervision, the vast majority of Americans still put their children in government schools because they’ve been led to believe that they are too stupid to educate their own kids. The professional teachers, controlled by their politicized labor unions, have become educators for a variety of reasons.

    Their colleges of education have trained them in how to dumb down the kids while giving the impression that they are actually educating them. That is probably the greatest magic act of self-deception ever put over on a supposedly intelligent group of people.

    The lumbering dinosaur’s preoccupation with politics is an indication that it knows its survival depends not on pleasing the easily deceived parents but on controlling corrupt state legislators who prattle incessantly about their concern for “the children.” And the more incapable the system becomes of delivering academic excellence, the more it will rely on politics for its survival. Even George Bush, a Republican President, had the gall to saddle America with No Child Left Behind, which has just about left everyone behind, including the taxpayer.

    Of course, the education larcenists have become experts at pretending to reform education, but these reforms cannot work because the collective brain that has produced them is not only lacking in reasoning power, but exhibits the symptoms of disease and retardation. A school system that no longer educates but deliberately dumbs down its students is a corrupt freak that no more resembles a genuine institution of learning than a nest of rats in the sewer pipes of New York.

    Who will deny that distributing condoms to middle- and high-school students is about as corrupt an idea as has ever been promoted by so-called educators who are clearly guilty of contributing to the delinquency of minors? Who can deny that separating education from Biblical moral values has simply delivered the schools into the eager hands of the devil? And who can deny that the young adults emerging from our high schools are not only poorly prepared for college but are morally confused and ill-equipped to deal with the problems of our society?
     
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    PART TWO:

    Who are the young idiots at the Occupy Wall Street sites with signs extolling 19th century socialism, communism, and anarchy, but dam-ning 21st century capitalism and profit as if our high-tech economy could exist without them? They are the products of the dumbing down process in the government schools, which has reduced their brain power to that of the dinosaur.

    One would think that after a hundred years of compulsory school attendance, this nation would have reached new heights of literacy and intelligence. But the very opposite is true. The latest SAT verbal scores for the class of 2011 are the lowest on record. Indeed, the combined reading and math scores have fallen to their lowest level since 1995. No surprise when you consider that No Child Left Behind has just about left every child in the government schools very far behind.

    There is actually no better evidence documenting the dumbing-down process than the SAT scores. For example, in 1972, 2,817 students achieved a verbal score of 750 to 800, the highest possible score. In 1987 only 1,363 students achieved that score. In 1994, it was up slightly to 1,438. In other words, over a thousand smarties became dumber.

    In 1972, a total of 116,630 students achieved verbal scores between 600 and 800. In 1987 only 88,000 achieved that score. In 1972, a total of 71,084 scored between 200 and 249 in the verbal test, the lowest possible score. In 1987 the number of students scoring in that lowest category had risen to 123,470. In 1994, that number had increased to 136,841.

    And so the smart have been getting dumber, and the dumb have been getting even dumber. It should be noted that the total number of students who took the test in 1972 was 1,022,680; in 1987, it was 1,080,426. In 1994, that number was down to 1,050,386, probably indicating that fewer students felt they could score well on the SAT test.

    A review of the reforms, such as the new Common Core Standards, being advocated by the establishment, should convince any thinking citizen that government education is headed toward oblivion. Higher teacher pay, national certification, restructuring, more social services, more vegetables for lunch, preschool education, smaller class size, more sex ed, and other such reforms will cost the taxpayers billions of dollars but not one of them will improve academic education.

    The government educators claim that they are working real hard to improve the performance of their schools. They are good at attending, at your expense, conventions, conferences, seminars, and workshops, held all over the country, to discuss curriculum reform, curriculum innovation, curriculum revision, curriculum enhancement, curriculum infusion. And they still haven’t figured out how to teach reading. I’ve been trying to get public schools to give my reading program, Alpha-Phonics, a try. But they look at me as if I’m some sort of alien from another planet.

    Each year, thousands of hours are spent by educators discussing every aspect of public education, thousands of articles are written for countless educational journals, hundreds of books are published on school reform, and yet the system keeps getting worse. If you’re curious about how these top educators think, the Association for Supervision and Curriculum Development (ASCD) quoted Stanford University’s Elliot Eisner in their publication in Dec. 1990:

    We shouldn’t be thinking about effective schools or about effective teaching simply in terms of high-level achievement within the context of schooling. I don’t think that the major aim of school is to help kids do well in school. . . . Schools exist for the kind of life that kids are able to lead outside of schools. . . . There is increasing recognition of the importance of context-specificity. Hardly anyone now believes the idea that there is a "best way" to teach something, and that we will eventually converge on that best way.

    If you are as confused as I am about “context-specificity” it’s because you’re not thinking the way an educator does. They have to give the impression that teaching in a government school is about as complex as rocket science. In other words, in order to justify their high salaries, they have to sound profound, thoughtful, and meaningless. They have to deceive each other and think up new and clever ways to pretend that they are actually making sense. Does a homeschooler have to know something about “context specificity” to be able to teach a child anything?

    In the end, public education is nothing more than a system of cash flow that supports millions of teachers, administrators, janitors, food service employers, and thousands of doctors and masters of education in the manner to which they’ve become accustomed. The biggest job of the latter is to train newcomers to plug into the system and to concoct novel theories and ideas for their endless game of education reform. As long as they can convince the legislators and taxpayers that the reforms they offer will improve education, they will be able to keep the game going.

    http://thenewamerican.com/opinion/s...ucation-the-sick-dinosaur-on-fed-life-support
     
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    This is one of the most laughable posts I have ever seen on this or any other forum! If the educational system is so evil then why do so many hundreds of thousands of young people world wide apply to get into it???

    Go do a survey and ask people how many of them believe society would be better without it?

    You would get laughed at by everybody!
     
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    I'm not laughing....more money spent in this nation on education than any other country in the world,and we have less educated people. Why? Because it should be done on a local level with local school boards.No federal government intervention.The unions have put education on a no win level.Discipline is a thought of the past.No discipline? No education.:reading:
     
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    Correction: we have MORE educated people.
     
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    Mr_Truth: CORRECTION: The job of education in this country is to institutionalize not impart wisdom. Result: This country has more brainwashed, institutionalized, semi-educated parasites than any country in the world.

    A prison is every institution unmasked.
     
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    "Truth" needs to change his handle to "Lord BS"..it would fit better!LOL! BTW,just because you post it,doesn't make it the truth....
     
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    :laughing: Hey peewee ~ That pathetic home tells us of your trashy background and the state of your little mind. :laughing:

    Had you gotten an education you may be living in a good home like I do. ;)
     
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    pwillie Active Member Past Donor

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    "Mr"...Truth! I see that I am a site donor....put your money where your mouth is....:nana:
     
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    Actually, I think the proper word is "tirade."

    Actually. even more akin to the cartoon snowball rolling downhill with Elmer, or Tom, or the Coyote along for the ride. You can see he's on top of the snowball but you know he's really not in control.

    Really, a metaphor for all "conservatives" if you think about it.
     
  11. Mr_Truth

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    HAHAHA!!! I put my money into my alma mater, museums, and historical societies. :p
     
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    pwillie Active Member Past Donor

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    So,tell me...are you old enough to vote? Have you served in our military?...:fart:
     
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    Since you are changing the topic it proves you are conceding that what I wrote is the truth.

    During the Vietnam war I attempted to enlist (unlike the Republicans on the chicken hawk list) but failed the military physical due to health reasons. But, as most people would say, there is no failure when you try but don't succeed. The real failure is when you don't try at all like these Republican clowns:

    http://www.nhgazette.com/chickenhawks/

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    I checked on you,and the "Town" library is your home.....do you live in a tent?:nana:
     
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    If you REALLY want to see less educated people, leave education up to the locals.

    But I'm all in favor of the Fed pulling funds for the rural south if that's what the rural south wants. In some parts of the country, ignorance is PRIZED. I'm also in favor of pulling all federal electrification projects is that's what those boys want.
     
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    Thanx for proving my point.

    :)
     
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    You can show that greater federal involvement in education has lead to increases in the general level of education amongst the populace? Hell, you can't even show that compulsory government education has lead to an increase in the general level of education. Central planning in education has been no more effective at surpassing the market than any other form of central planning.
     
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    The only thing Federal education has led to,is how to sign up for welfare!They teach you just enough to spell your name and write down your social security number...Charter Schools are a product of the States...you can't legislate a mind...Truth Man,how long have you belonged to the "Union Welfare"?:nana:
     
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    I guess you never visited the Ozarks back in the 40s and 50s. Or West Virgina. Or Tennessee.
     
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    I live right near West Virginia and Tennessee. I live in Virginia right in between the places. More fed intervention wouldn't help these schools. Its the principle of what is taught. Logic is thrown out the window. Math and science are glorified. There is to much or to little home work given to the kids. The teachers are not always actually teaching (though there are plenty of good teachers). The culture these kids live in destroys 'em double. The only thing they care about is what guy they are dating. What girl they have. How many video games.What the gossip is. The parents are failing as well as the kids. Its not a break down of the schools alone. Its the whole system. This system as strong as it is is like a machine being constantly tested under "new" things. Like government education teaching the government can take care of em, feminism (women working away from home not caring for kids), men who aren't acting like men and don't care as much about their children, homosexuality, ect. the whole thing is coming down. Lets see what happens when it does shall we?

    P.S. New thing aren't always bad, but they aren't always good.
     
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    Being brought up in a rural area doesn't make you dumb.Because your from the south,doesn't make a person from the North smarter....Discipline is the answer,and under the Fed laws,you cannot use discipline.Single parent families are the biggest contributors of poor discipline.......Kind and Gentler nation is not the answer.We need compulsory military service,and drop "soft' drugs as being criminal.Get the prisons cleaned out for hardened criminals.Parole all those kids to the military,and save their lives through discipline! Structured life for young people is the only way to save our nation.:handshake:
     
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    In my opinion, we could be solving many of our modern social dilemmas, merely by solving official poverty in our republic.
     
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    From the beginning of time,we have had poverty...it will never end through government intervention....Some choose to rise above it and some choose to keep the life style,you can't legislate peoples minds....
     
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    We have had poverty and being poor; only one can be solved for through public sector intervention in private sector markets.

    Why pay for an over thirty year War on Poverty instead of simply solving it in a market friendly manner via unemployment compensation?
     
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    I think the worst thing we could do is continue with our day-care centers. I can hardly call them schools. Compared to what 8th graders were expected to know in the 1880's, our kids are downright retarded

    how much of this test could YOU pass?
    http://thinklab.typepad.com/think_lab/2006/03/8th_grade_exami.html

    Now here's an easier test:
    http://www.ncpublicschools.org/docs/accountability/testing/releasedforms/grade8sciencereleased.pdf

    The first test, which most people, even college graduates would fail, is a test given to 8th graders in 1880. The second, much easier test, is an 8th grade test from 1990. Not only are the questions much easier, but our tests today don't even require that the student come up with the answers himself, but rather choose from pre-selected answers given in multiple choice format. In 1880, the same 14 year olds were expected to write essays.

    Still think public schools are better for learning than private schools?
     
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