It doesn't matter where the Drone was. This is what we should be creeping out about

Neither am I, but I am into conspiracy facts.

 

Might you comment on what you think it is then?

 

Yes, it was probing Iran's defenses for weaknesses and came from a country that has pushed Iran to the brink of war from the day it unilaterally tore up the JCPOA and reimposed sanctions which are tantamount to economic warfare.

Of course they are going to shoot down a spy drone in the climate of tension the US has created in it's drive to go to war.

 

Well, when you shoot down aircraft in international waters as the iranians did, even if its looking at you, you commit an act which gives causus belli. We have satellites which observe Iran daily. What do you think would happen if they started launching missiles at our satellites that are observing them?


Honestly do you see what you're saying ? The US is mean and looking for an excuse for war so of course Iran would bite down and swallow the OBVIOUS BAIT giving the US its valid excuse for war.

^ That's pretty silly.

 

But Cheney and the Bush Admin insisted that he did have WMD which is why we needed to go to Iraq and kill people remember? It was not that Cheney was saying he might have em we just can't prove it. The reason for the war was because he did have em.

I was talking about the decision to go to war in Iraq and making the point that the same credo of regime change through military assault and in many cases the exact same people such as Bolton, Abrams et al who brought you the war in Iraq are the same ones trying to bring you this one.

Don't know how you tied that into the drone??

 

I think shooting down the drone was a message to the WH that he can push and push and push but there is a point we will fight back even if we can't win.

You are already at war. It is economic at the moment but make no mistake, the Iranians realize war is imminent and right on their doorstep. I actually don't think Trump wants war but certain members of the State Dept. and National Security along with their foreign supporters and handlers have always wanted to find a way to attack Iran and overthrow it's government.
That is the goal and Iran knows that.

Unfortunately you are putting them into a position where they have nothing to lose in fighting back - which is why this moment in time is so deadly dangerous

Yes, the US is trying to bait them into war. When Iran showed they would fight back, the administration backed down - for now.

This is not over......unless the US is willing to take the boot of Iran's throat in order to talk.

Keep tuned, more to come.

 

Except we don't really care if they fight back because they can't actually deal our citizens lasting harm whereas the reverse is certainly not true.

Indeed we are and have been since we tried to help a coup de tat out that didn't come anywhere near success. Which is why would should either a) stop it or b) finish it.

The administration showed that it a) 100% has the capability to destroy the iranians capacity for offensive force b) doesn't feel an overly pressing need to do so because Iran still can't project force into the continental US.
You think that was backing off? That was: O why bother its not like they can do anything important really. Its hardly worth the money we'd spend on the bombs.

No one is scared of Iran. The beatings will continue until morale improves

 

Sure. It was a statement of intention that was memorialized. Saddam's none compliance with sanctions and inspections were well know at the time the Downing Memo was developed. He was already non-compliant leading to the presumption and subsequent intelligence that he was possessing WMDs. What the US supposedly stated is that if in fact he was possessing these things, that we would make the motion to the UN to forcibly remove him from power.

Several years later, that's exactly what we did.

 

Trump is a draft dodger, a coward, who never served his country. He was a capable athlete who suddenly developed a foot problem when his country asked him for help during the Vietnam conflict. He has virtually no experience with the military.

And now he is the Commander-in-Chief and it shows. "I'm not talking boots on the ground, I'm not saying we're going to send a million soldiers, I'm just saying if something would happen, it wouldn't last very long," Trump said.

"I don't need exit strategies."

"Well I hope we don't (go to war with Iran) but we're in a very strong position if something should happen, It would not last very long."

This is how our President talks about a war with Iran.

In Iraq, Saddam's army and air force were defeated before the war even started. It took less than 30 days to take Baghdad. Yet, the war lasted over eight years and it cost in the trillions. 5,000 Americans were killed, 25,000 more wounded, and an estimated one million Iraqis were killed.

The war in Iraq would be a walk in the park compared to war with Iran.

"it wouldn't last very long."

"I don't need exit strategies."

What a pathetic little man.

 

really, having a good time?

 

there were no wmd's, we would of found them by now

 

The DS Memo was not about Saddam. It was about confidential statements by US government figures noting that "the intelligence" would be tailored to accommodate the invasion of Iran. You know, like Colin Powell up before the UN telling lies about Curveball and more. The intelligence presented to the public would be fixed so that we could invade Iraq under false pretenses.

Yes, that is what happened. Bush, Blair & Companies brought the Global War Of Terror under false pretenses.

 

Yes. But you missed my point.

 

Dream on, Leon......

 

How so? Do you know how easy it is to hide enough poison gas to wipe out a portion of a small country? Or how easy it is to ship to a foreign ally depository?

 

Uh, you mean Iraq. Right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_memo

Prove the intelligence he had was different than what he presented. That is the only way you can say that he lied. And you can't do that.

The actual statement said:

"There was a perceptible shift in attitude. Military action was now seen as inevitable. Bush wanted to remove Saddam, through military action, justified by the conjunction of terrorism and WMD. But the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy. The NSC had no patience with the UN route, and no enthusiasm for publishing material on the Iraqi regime's record. There was little discussion in Washington of the aftermath after military action."

That doesn't necessarily mean that they were corrupting the data, but can also mean that the CASE WAS BEING MADE using the intelligence and facts for the justification for invasion.

If this is where the entirety of the left is getting the "he lied" non-sense, then it's weaker than I thought.

If I said "I don't see any other alternative but to get a divorce, and my decision is being fixed around the rumors of infidelity"

The word "fixed" doesn't necessarily mean corrupted but can also mean the justification.

So Saddam wasn't violating sanctions put in place after Desert Storm to allow him to remain in power?

 

we sold them WMD, we have the receipts to prove it, they were ordered to destroy them after the Iran\Iraq war, we found them and they were destroyed, we were wrong

kinda ironic we sold them the WMD, then went to war over what we sold them

be like a cop saying hold on to my gun and then shooting you cause you had a gun

 

I don't know about the buying and selling, but we did not invade Iraq just because he had WMDs. We invaded because he had WMDs, was an active supporter of terrorism, and was completely amenable to providing WMDs, including nuclear. to terrorist groups.

 

Where did you serve?

 

And also defied the UN restricted zone defined after the first gulf war. Even targeted planes enforcing those restrictions.

 

we were wrong about the WMD's, the investigators were in Iraq and reported to Bush that they found no WMD, he could not even wait for them to leave, he said get out cause I am going to war anyways, to the bush admin this was a religious war, they were just looking for a reason

 

Maybe not scared of Iran but you should be very scared about the lunacy and incompetence in your own administration. You may feel safe in fortress NA but Iran can certainly hurt American interests abroad and can win the PR war if the US is perceived as the aggressor - which it is.

Threatening Iran with war is doing untold damage to America's reputation and along with all the other idiotic policy like trade wars and cutting off aid to refugees and immigrants is going to have long term consequences that we can't always see.

You are already waging economic war and pushing Iran into a corner it can't retreat from. When the actual shooting starts, it will destabilize the entire region and possibly the world.

You should be scared. Or at least concerned.

 

Hey man, as soon as they stop being *******s we'll stop trying to **** them.
Until they stop with the whole death to america, funding hezbollah, mining international waters etc thing, they're going to remain designated as "*******s".

 

They shout death to America because of they way you have treated them since overthrowing their democratically elected government in '53 and imposing a dictator with the worst human rights record of that time. You would have done a lot more than shout death to Iran if they had done that to you.

Hezbollah is a legitimate political party in Lebanon that runs social services, hospitals and charities and not just for Shia either. The were instrumental in fighting ISIS is Syria. Their big crime was fighting the IDF to a draw when Israel invaded that country in 2006.

They mine international waters in response to threats including the threat when US backed Iraq attacked them in a brutal war of destruction.

They are not the leading state sponsor of terrorism nor have they attacked anyone illegally which the US does all the time.

You should try to explore the reason your government is so desperate to push Iran into a war when their was a perfectly good international agreement between all parties that could have lead to peaceful co-existence.

Look behind the State Dept. and Security propaganda and try to understand why the Trump admin is lighting fires all over the ME and beyond.

 

Except coups don't succeed without support and SOMEHOW it had that for more than 20 years until a theocratic revolution knocked it out. So don't get all "but our democracy" with me.

Hezbollah is a recognized terrorist organization whose crimes are many.

THEY MINE INTERNATIONAL WATERS full stop. <<< That right there? Is a violation of international law sufficient to trigger defense obligations in numerous nations to halt it. IE to go in and **** iran up until they learn that you don't mine international waters if your beef is with a specific nation. You don't lash out at the world entire you lash out at your enemy. If you can't do that, then suffer the consequences.

Lol so they're not the number 1 state sponsor of terrorism (debatable) so they're not that bad? Give me a break. Do you hear yourself right now? Their support for hezbollah is enough, though they've done far more than that. They've committed numerous attacks they've claimed for themselves too.

?? We're not the ones MINING INTERNATIONAL WATERS OR SHOOTING DOWN PLANES OVER INTERNATIONAL WATERS. You want to know who wants the war? The party that has committed more than one act giving causus belli to the ENTIRE WORLD while chanting "death to america" daily.