It is 2015 , should governments outlaw religion?

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  1. Equality

    Equality Well-Known Member

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    To quote - “The Vatican has billions of shares in the most powerful international corporations such as Gulf Oil, Shell, General Motors, Bethlehem Steel, General Electric, International Business Machines, T.W.A., etc.”

    http://humansarefree.com/2012/03/christian-church-is-biggest-financial.html

    It is my opinion that all said religious books are written by the hand of mankind, ''God(s)'' being an abstract creation by mankind, a conscious thought from somebody(s) of our past. It is now 2015, no said ''God'' as evidentially appeared on Earth or shown themselves to us, my opinion and evidently because something of a virtual existence can not manifest itself into a physical being, because virtual is just a conscious thought and not of reality. In a court of Law religion could offer no more than hearsay and frivolous litigation, so why do the governments allow this to continue and not use religions wealth for other purposes that are reality?
     
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    TrackerSam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yeah. Let's just throw the Constitution out the window and confiscate wealth. You claim it's teachings are fiction, so shall we also confiscate any and all wealth derived from every other form of fiction? Movies, books, music etc. How 'bout that J.K.Rowling and Spielberg. we could really cash in taking their wealth. And seeing that 84% of the world's population believe in God, we're going to do this why? Because you don't? Go for it, make a wish and shut your eyes real tight.
     
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    Not sure what that has to do with anything.

    Why is that relevant?

    That's a poor argument, since you're using empirical evidence as proof of disproof of God - therefore that puts you in the same boat as creationists

    Tell me what the difference is between a "religious" belief and a secular belief.

    Since according to you a religious belief isn't really any different than a secular belief anyway - it just has the "God" part added to it.

    This is why anti-"religion" arguments always fail because they never make any sense of have any consistency - the closest I can think of to what they're referring to when they mean "religion" is actually deontological ethics - but there are plenty of people who have "secular" beliefs based on deontological ethics as well.
     
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    Tyrants are always dreaming of new ways to leverage power and take what they covet.

    They see the power that "religion" has and they want it for themselves.
     
  5. Equality

    Equality Well-Known Member

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    Fiction writer's do not claim their products are a reality and convince people that a fictional cha-rector really exists. An abstract thought can not manifest into something of reality, are you suggesting that religious books were not written by mankind from someone's concious thoughts? Is there any evidence that a ''God(s)'' really exist?
    Why do we value make believe so much and have even had war's over it? Why do we fight for abstract content?
    There is more to this than just wealth and that is of my opinion to be clearly understood.
     
  6. Equality

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    A true leader to mankind would in my opinion spend''religions'' wealth on the poor and aid in inequality in the world or to fund medical needs of the world.
     
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    "Should governments outlaw religion" - of course not. And just because the Catholic church is wealthy isn't a justification anyway.

    I also think this so called wealth of the Catholic church is over estimated. Their physical assets are, for the most part, priceless - cannot be valued properly and won't be sold in all likelihood, I think the symbolic monetary value for these assets is one Euro. The church also has vast real estate assets around the world but, do these belong to the Vatican or the local dioceses? In terms of liquidity I don't think the Vatican is as wealthy as some, including the article linked, figure on. Just my opinion.
     
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    I do not fail, would you believe the mad hatter was real out of Alice in wonderland? That is the equivalent to the frivolous litigation religion could offer in defence.
     
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    Socialism/collectivism/godless Utopianism are religions as well. We should just outlaw all forced redistribution.
     
  10. Equality

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    Religion gained it's wealth from history, they forced their beliefs on people by using force and even having wars. They stole their wealth to support a fictitious cha rector in a said holy book. No more real than the mad hatter.
     
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    Except its not really any different than plenty of secular beliefs.

    Like PETA for example - they believe killing animals is morally wrong regardless of the reason, and there's no evidence that will convince them ever to change their minds (ex. even if experimenting on lab rats saved thousands of lives they would still be against it "just because").

    So nope, there's really no difference between a "religious" belief and a secular belief, beyond the religious or "magical" metaphor.
     
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    Religion will always exist whether you outlaw it or not. And as history has shown over and over again, religion is a passion for the masses and trying to remove it will not end well for those who are ignorant enough to try.
     
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    The Vatican gives more money to charity every year then many countries take in.
     
  14. Equality

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    It is more than just wealth, every action has an equal and opposite reaction, removing religion and outlawing it leaves no room for argument.

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    That doe's not remove the fiction that causes wars.
     
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    This post would then lead me to mentioning it is the governments responsibility who do have the power to remove religion and banish this fiction people stupidly believe in to be real when in 2015 there is no evidence other than fictional books of someone's thought's.
     
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    Shall we start with Islam and see how that goes? I nominate you to visit the ME and inform them.
     
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    You mean like the old Soviet Union did? Yea, we saw how that works out...
     
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    Wars are caused by many reasons. Half of the motivation for the crusades was boredom.
     
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    The right to religion is one of the most fundamental of human rights. Love how you fascists want to ban it. Shows your true colors, which is not for liberty, but rather for a tyranny based on your whims.
     
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    If I recall right as well, the entire operating cost of Vatican City year round is less than that of Berekely University
     
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    I thought you were writing about the teachings of St.AlGore there for a minute. Adults can decide for themselves what to believe and how to spend their own money. Some spend $100 at a football game 'cause that's how he chooses to spend his time and money, while others spend their time and money at church because it gives them pleasure to do so, it's their social and spiritual outlet.
    If you think they're being scammed, be a good guy and call the police. What they believe in and spend their money on, of their own free will, is none of your business.
     
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    That would be a narcissistic argument based on excuses, frivolous litigation compared to facts, It is not belief that a ''god'' does not exist, it is evidential that a''god'' does not exist and evidential that mankind's words in a Holy book, are no more than abstract thinking about how we got here.

    It is no mystery that creation is a form of early Psuedo science, by definition without proof, they have had 2015 years to provide proof, does God exist ? NO, there is no proof and never will be because an abstract thought can not physically materialise .
     
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    no we should not outlaw religion, prohibition of religion can be as evil as a theocracies imo

    when a gov tells you how to believe and punishes you for not believing that way, an evil government it is no matter how nice it seems on the surface
     
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    Outlaw of religion is not constitutional.

     
  25. Equality

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    A un-objective narcissistic answer and nothing to do with the point. I ask you to show premise for argument there is a God? hearsay is frivolous litigation
     

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