It is time to ask ourselves, is Trump acting like a Russian puppet?

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  1. Sandy Shanks

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    Recent events have caused many to wonder. What is going on with Trump? Is it possible he is acting like a Russian puppet? Is he doing what Putin wants him to do?

    Perhaps it is time to look at the facts.

    We know Putin interfered in our 2016 Presidential election because he wanted Trump to become our next President.

    We know that Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, had Russian connections, and he is now serving a long prison sentence. Trump's deputy campaign manager, Rick Gates, also had Russian connections, and he is facing jail time.

    Mike Flynn, Trump's NSA for a month, spoke illegally to the Russian ambassador and is facing jail time.

    Trump's attorney general, Jeff Sessions, had contacts with the Russian ambassador during the election campaign, once in his office, and he had to recuse himself from the Russian investigation that was taking place from his office.

    Trump's son, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager met with four Russian operatives at Trump's home, Trump Tower, in June 2016, for information on Trump's opponent, Hillary Clinton.

    More recently, Trump tried that again. He attempted to extort the Ukrainian president to get him to dig up dirt on another political opponent, Joe Biden. This caused an impeachment inquiry.

    The mission of any righteous Russian puppet would be to create chaos at the highest level of the federal government. Recently, the Trump White House sent a letter to the House of Representatives telling the leadership they must have a full House vote on the impeachment of the President.

    You can't get any more chaotic than that.

    Two Soviet-born, naturalized American citizens, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who had been helping Trump's lawyer investigate Joe Biden in Ukraine, were arrested by the FBI Wednesday evening at Dulles International Airport. They had one-way tickets on a flight out of the country.

    They were arrested shortly after having dinner with Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal lawyer.

    Trump continued with his chaotic regime. Many will die as a direct result of his decision to order a retreat of American troops from northern Syria, giving Turkey a green light to annihilate the Kurds whom they regard as terrorists. His decision caused a national security threat for our country, and poses serious problems for the Western democracies, not to mention the betrayal of a valuable American ally that had destroyed the ISIS caliphate.

    The Pentagon, members of Congress including the vast majority of Trump's party, and the American people are aghast at the dishonorable, incredulous decision Trump made. However, apparently the decision suited his purposes. His reaction to the Turkish invasion is less than anemic. It almost seems as if Trump is making the aftermath a comedy routine.

    Trump's surrender to Turkish intents does not serve America's interests. Indeed, his decision has endangered our national interests, and there is only one conclusion a person can make. As long as Trump is President, America cannot be trusted.

    On the other hand, other nations do benefit from Trump's decision. They include Turkey, of course; Syria and its murderous dictator, Bashar al-Assad; Syria's ally, Iran.

    And Russia!
     
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    Do you dream all this stuff up by yourself?
     
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    It's important to understand that the FIRST "ask" in that now infamous phone call was that Ukraine support Trump's and Billy the Bagman's efforts to exonerate RUSSIA in the 2016 election hacking via the bogus "Crowdstrike" nutjob conspiracy
     
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    You've been saying it for almost three years and can't show how.
     
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    "It is time to ask ourselves, is Trump acting like a Russian puppet?"...

    Funny you should ask. :roll:

    Is there a specific "time" you feel we should take note of stark raving TDS? It's so constant and relentless... By the time we delve into one accusation, it's on its way out, no longer trending and another is being crafted on its heels...

    I find often, if you pay no attention, the torches go out, and the villagers wander off on their own until they can manufacture the next outrage. I sometimes skip a few...
    :deadhorse:
     
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    Trump has always said that if you borrow enough money, you own the lender.. Either Trump has Deutsche Bank by the short and curlies or he was in such foul shape he had a guarantor.. a Russian guarantor.

    It smells to high heaven
     
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    Trump is acting like an Establishment Puppet - doing what the big money interests who helped Trump out of his bankruptcy troubles want him to do.

    Putin - is not one of those interests.
     
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    The key is Russian money at Deutsche Bank and Bank of Cyprus..

    If you borrow enough money, you own the lender.
     
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    Now we are to be asking? Thought ya’ll had been for years? Too funny.
     
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    I told you what the key is . Putin is not part of the Consortium that bailed Trump out of of his bankruptcies.

    The Rockefeller/Rothschild consortium is who pulls Trumps strings.

    Trump did not appoint some Russian commerce secretary .. Trump appointed Wilbur Ross - fellow who was the lead man for the consortium that bailed Trump out. Quid Pro Quo on Steroids.
     
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    Wilbur Ross ran the biggest Russian money laundering bank.. Bank of Cyrus... American banks wouldn't touch Trump.. He was toxic. Who do you think his guarantor was for all that Russian money he borrowed.

    TRUMP AND FRIENDS EXPOSED - 'ROTHSCHILD CONNECTIONS'

    A 2007 Stratfor report that was leaked through Wikileaks reads: "Alfa Group is now involved in transporting drugs from Southeast Asia through Russia into Europe, laundering money of Colombian drug cartels, and bribing organs of justice in Russia..." [99]

    "The Russian Alfa Group, ran by a number of Zionist oligarchs, has deep ties to Israel and the Mossad, the CFR and Russia's notorious Solntsevskaya mafia." [100]

    "Fridman is believed to be at least partially responsible for many of the assassinations that plague Russian society, particularly regarding journalists."

    https://aanirfan.blogspot.com/2016/10/trump-and-friends-exposed.html
     
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    Wilbur Ross was working for a Rothschild entity when he bailed out Trump - and it was that entity - not Russian money - that did the bailing out.
     
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    How would I know, I've never seen a Russian puppet ¯\_(º¸º)_/¯
     
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    I should not have been so dismissive of "Putin" and friends ... but in the context of who pulls the strings - it matters not.

    The consortia's compete - that of the Russian Oligarchs is one of them - albeit one that pales in comparison to the aforementioned.

    These big money interests - albeit competitors - will often work together ... . back in the day - when the cold war was over - and the smell of economic freedom was in the air .. why wouldn't a banking consortia be working with Russian Money.

    The question we are addressing however is - "who pulls the strings" .. and frankly - the idea that the Putin Consortium has influence over Trump in a way that is remotely comparable to the influence that the RR consortium (and include various other families who's names are on banks who have membership in that club) - doesn't pass the giggle test.

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    I could not pass on liking this picture from the link ... No doubt Nathan fancied that -

    When you look at policy of Trump - not the hot button issues "Abortion, immigration, gay marriage, guns and so on" - the Establishment does not care about these things so much .. sure there are many interests and they conflict .. some favoring one or the other hot button issue.

    Not that .. I am talking about the policies that the big money interests agree on .. they care about money and power ..and maintaining the status quo.

    Trump just lobbied congress to renew the NSA mass data collection program .. lets see if this goes ahead.
    I have regaled you with the "Stop Arming Terrorist Act" - Tulsi introduced to the house with 13 co - sponsors - our of 435. When Paul introduced the bill to the Senate he got a total of Zero sponsors.

    Odd don't you think 15 ... - out of 535 -- answer the question: - Should we continue to arm Al Qaeda - ISIS - and other radical Islamist extremist groups - with sophisticated military technology - when it suits our purposes - use them as a proxy army if we feel like it - with a resounding YES .. YES ....

    Was it Putin that had the influence here ? or was it the military industrial complex owners and war profiteers. and good golly - if there isn't some enemy at the gates .. threatening the homeland - profits suffer.

    Putin is a small bit player in this game... in a properly written accurate account of reality - barely a footnote.
     
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    Naw, Trump is clearly in Putin's pocket. The meeting in Finland made it clear.
     
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    I address groups that influence Trump in more detail in post 16.
     
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    But the Russian Oligarchs behind Deutsche Bank are

    Trump has been in trouble for money laundering in the past
     
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    I have not looked into that - provide more detail por favor. What I have looked into is Trumps connection to the RR consortium ... and this is a way bigger and more influential club than the Russian Oligarch club.

    It was not some Russian Oligarch selection that Trump appointed to commerce secretary - quid pro quo - it was an RR selection - one among many.

    So if you want to shoot straight arrows - in a conversation about who influences Trump the most - with respect to things that affect the USA - that is where they are found.
     
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    This may be a stupid question but maybe someone more enlightened could drop some knowledge on me, why Ukraine? It seems like the one constant is both parties messing with Ukraine.
     
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    Putin wants to reconstitute the Soviet Empire. If he gets Ukraine back he has gone a long way towards accomplishing that.

    Ukraine was known as the breadbasket of the Soviet Union, it has has enormous natural resources, and puts Russia back on the doorstep of Europe.

    Not to mention that all that Russian natural gas going to Europe runs through Ukrainian pipelines...

    And the idea of a Democratic western leaning Ukraine just makes Putin crazy
     
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    Which part of the report is dreaming? Be specific.

    A major weakness of Trump supporters is they make unsubstantiated accusations. They can't explain what they are talking about.

    That is because their false accusations have no substance.

    Answer the question.
     
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    The wise person understands that things have changed in three years, including the fact that our invaluable ally, the Kurds, whom Trump abandoned, eliminated the ISIS caliphate. Today, Trump's dishonorable decision is likely to result in the escape of thousands of ISIS terrorists who are being guided by the Kurds.

    And Seth supports Trump all the way! t

    Recent events have caused many to wonder. What is going on with Trump? Is it possible he is acting like a Russian puppet? Is he doing what Putin wants him to do?

    Perhaps it is time to look at the facts.

    We know Putin interfered in our 2016 Presidential election because he wanted Trump to become our next President.

    We know that Trump's campaign manager, Paul Manafort, had Russian connections, and he is now serving a long prison sentence. Trump's deputy campaign manager, Rick Gates, also had Russian connections, and he is facing jail time.

    Mike Flynn, Trump's NSA for a month, spoke illegally to the Russian ambassador and is facing jail time.

    Trump's attorney general, Jeff Sessions, had contacts with the Russian ambassador during the election campaign, once in his office, and he had to recuse himself from the Russian investigation that was taking place from his office.

    Trump's son, Trump's son-in-law, and Trump's campaign manager met with four Russian operatives at Trump's home, Trump Tower, in June 2016, for information on Trump's opponent, Hillary Clinton.

    More recently, Trump tried that again. He attempted to extort the Ukrainian president to get him to dig up dirt on another political opponent, Joe Biden. This caused an impeachment inquiry.

    The mission of any righteous Russian puppet would be to create chaos at the highest level of the federal government. Recently, the Trump White House sent a letter to the House of Representatives telling the leadership they must have a full House vote on the impeachment of the President.

    You can't get any more chaotic than that.

    Two Soviet-born, naturalized American citizens, Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman, who had been helping Trump's lawyer investigate Joe Biden in Ukraine, were arrested by the FBI Wednesday evening at Dulles International Airport. They had one-way tickets on a flight out of the country.

    They were arrested shortly after having dinner with Rudy Giuliani, Trump's personal lawyer.

    Trump continued with his chaotic regime. Many will die as a direct result of his decision to order a retreat of American troops from northern Syria, giving Turkey a green light to annihilate the Kurds whom they regard as terrorists. His decision caused a national security threat for our country, and poses serious problems for the Western democracies, not to mention the betrayal of a valuable American ally that had destroyed the ISIS caliphate.

    The Pentagon, members of Congress including the vast majority of Trump's party, and the American people are aghast at the dishonorable, incredulous decision Trump made. However, apparently the decision suited his purposes. His reaction to the Turkish invasion is less than anemic. It almost seems as if Trump is making the aftermath a comedy routine.

    Trump's surrender to Turkish intents does not serve America's interests. Indeed, his decision has endangered our national interests, and there is only one conclusion a person can make. As long as Trump is President, America cannot be trusted.

    On the other hand, other nations do benefit from Trump's decision. They include Turkey, of course; Syria and its murderous dictator, Bashar al-Assad; Syria's ally, Iran.

    And Russia!
     
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    I just asked a simple question. I do not have enough time in a day to sit down and write all that.
     
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    The real Russian puppets were Hillary Clinton and the DNC that colluded with Russian FSB agents through Christopher Steele for made up dirt on Trump, as well as Adam Schiff who was who was caught on tape with what he thought was a Russian Oligarch with dirt on Trump! Get ready, the IG report is coming soon and eventually the special prosecutor will seek indictments against Obama administration officials who broke numerous laws!
     
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