It is vital the U.S. destroy China within the next 20 years.

According to National Defense Magazine (NationalDefenseMagazine.org) China plans to field a "world class military" by 2049. This cannot be allowed to happen. China fielding a world class military combined with their economic strength and the international political appeal of their "prosperous autocracy" model will be detrimental to both the short and long term interests of the United States.


This cannot be allowed to happen. While I don't support anything approaching genocide of China their military must be effectively destroyed and their economy set back for a minimum of 30 years (50 years would be better).


To this end the U.S. must


1) Prepare its nuclear arsenal to be capable of destroying the bulk of strategic Chinese nuclear weapons on the ground in a first strike.

2) Failing that, deploy conventional weapons of sufficient type and quantity to do the same thing to the bulk of strategic Chinese nuclear weapons in a first strike.

3) Dramatically expand our ballistic missile defenses so they can stop the remains of a Chinese counterstrike.

4) Build up large enough naval forces to enable the U.S. to utterly destroy the Chinese navy and still have sufficient reserves to deal with other naval/air continencies around the world.

5) Strengthen ties with nations near China including South Korea, Japan, Philippines, Vietnam, Indonesia, Australia and above all, Taiwan.

6) Vastly strengthen U.S. offensive and defensive cyber warfare capabilities.

7) Vastly strengthen U.S. offensive and defensive space warfare capabilities.

Establish a plan for long term U.S. and allied military occupation of key areas in China in the post war era.

9) Begin steadily building the popular political support for the conflict in the United States.


The war is coming. And only by planning to fight it in 2040 will the U.S. give it and its allies the cushion it needs before 2049.

 

The US has been enabling China for the last 21 years. It stretches all the way back to Nixon, but really began in earnest with Bill Clinton.

The US granted China special access to the US market, where the far cheaper cost of Chinese labor and lack of regulations (combined with intentional lack of enforcement by Chinese authorities) allowed China to undercut competitors in the US. Then under Bush (Jr) the US started spending billions of dollars to "counter" China's military threat in the Pacific, while at the same time doing nothing to stop the trade. Basically allowing US markets to fund Chinese military, while at the same time costing the US taxpayer to spend funds to compensate for this.

 

Reads like some of the aims of the Trans Pacific Partnership which x ooooops! Trump

 

yep

 

we are doing the same in the IT sector with India, just giving them our jobs for cheap labor - Corporations need speed limits

 

It is vital the U.S. destroy China within the next 20 years.

~ The next 2o days would be better ...

 

There's too many business interests in the US that would complain about any trade being cut off with China. They even scream about tiny little tariffs. These US companies operate factories in China, where the costs are far lower and they can pay their employees less, then ship the product to the US to sell it.
These business interests have a lot of influence. Sending lobbyists to Congress, and getting the media to beat the drums to sway public opinion, also funding think tanks, even university education and running magazines that that they have a great deal of influence over. Keeping trade open with China is probably the biggest special interest group that exists in the US.

The American industries that have been most hurt by this competition either no longer exist or don't have the money to fund much resistance.

 

Well the damage is done. There is no stopping China at this point. All we have been able to hope for is limiting the damage and that particular hope is out the window since the new administration is full of people who are getting their kneepads ready to pleasure China.

 

You're sounding like the Brits after 1945. The initial shock of realising that you're not the top dog anymore will wear off and you'll survive just like they did.

 

10 years to disable the Belt and Road policy. After that it will be too late. That is what Trump was doing successfully. Don’t worry, China Joe will turn that around.

 

That's not necessarily a good analogy. When the Britain lost its world dominance, it lost it to the USA, a country that had its start as a former British colony and shared much culture and value in common with Britain.

The difference in government and values between China and the US is much greater than it was between Britain and the US at the end of WW2, to put it mildly.

 

I don't think even Trump could have / would have stopped it, only slightly slowed it down a little bit.

China has been busy gobbling up Africa, trying to get more resources (buying up farmland and mining rights, and in exchange lending money to mostly corrupt or irresponsible African governments and building them roads). China mostly doesn't even want to hire Africans for these projects; they bring their own people from China to do the work.

It's not that difficult to imagine in the future Africans turning against the Chinese like they turned against the White man in the 1960s and 70s. (Basically an attempt to expel whites and seize their property, mainly mining companies and farmland) But in this case China could send in military intervention to secure their investments in Africa. It might basically look like an occupation with puppet governments.
The US did a little bit of that in Latin America, and Europe did it during the Colonial Age, but the US and Europe (mainly Britain) did not have the stomach for that later in the 1960s and 70s. China, by contrast, might not value freedom or respect for other nations' autonomy as much as the US and Europe.

If China becomes a dominant superpower and extends its world influence, and if its values are different enough from countries like the US and Europe, it could start a new Cold War.

 

China will release its arsenal at us before we have a chance to destroy them. Your plan will result in the deaths of hundreds of millions and will result in both the US and China no longer being superpowers.

If you do want to attack them, its best to start a normal war that doesn't involve nukes to completely destroying China. We would instead take a bunch of land from them to weaken them like Tibet and the South China Sea. We could start this war by deploying troops into Hong Kong but we would need to persuade our allies to join us because Russia, North Korea, and Iran are likely to join and side with China.

 

Not really. Since the end of WW1 the USA has been antagonistic toward the UK, and during WW2 the USA did many action that undermined the UK effort to not have the USSR gobble up half of Europe. Hell, a big part of your government would've gladly sit that one out or straight up allied themselves with Germany if it wasn't the fact that Germay declared war on you following Pearl Harbor.

And for the majority of the world your action as the top dog superpower are as much a problem then you think the chinese rules will be. Don't have to look far. Just look at what the USA has done to Haiti and central and south america.

 

Hitler was "delighted" when he heard Japan had attacked Pearl Harbor.
This demonstrates that he already realized that the US would probably be drawn into the war in Europe, even if the Japanese had not attacked the US first.

 

And many in the USA were disapointed...

 

So the answer to that is to empower China Joe to bring more ties and enable China further? lol

 

~ Sad but true ...

 

Well eventually we may all find out if having China as the leading world supervisor is no different than the UK tossing the keys over to the US. I suspect that you'll not be happy with the results, unless of course you hate your own civilization more than you hate being dominated by a power with totally alien values.

I suspect that centuries hence people are going to look upon the time of Anglo-American world dominance as kind of a golden age and they'll marvel at people like yourself who couldn't wait for it to crash.

 

Ask the African and Asians how they felt under anglo-saxon value system... You think your system is the best because you profited by it. The rest of the world, not so much.

 

OK so you are one of those who hate their own civilization.


Historically, that's a bit of an anomaly, but in the late stage West it's surprisingly common.

 

???. I'm not an anglo-saxon, so why would I care about them?
If you look at a world map, you'll see that the vast majority aren't part of your tribe.

 

Ska-roo Covid, lets have a nuclear war instead! China may well do what Khrushchev could only bluster, bury us economically, no need for something as mundane as a war.

 

Right, and neither is the majority Chinese.

 

So? This doesn't mean they'll do a worst job than the anglo did. Your time is up, no empire last forever.