It is vital the U.S. destroy China within the next 20 years.

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  1. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Systemic malpractice. 80% of patients died from the mandated treatment.

    "Doctors are still figuring out the best ways to care for patients with COVID-19, the illness caused by the novel coronavirus.
    Over the past few weeks, as the virus has spread in New York City, one hospital has started keeping patients off ventilators longer, hoping that they'll be able to recover faster than if they were intubated.
    Others are trying tactics like placing patients on their stomachs to help their lungs better circulate oxygen."
    "The Associated Press reported on Wednesday that New York City officials said 80% of patients on ventilators there had died."
    BUSINESS INSIDER, Coronavirus patients are dying on ventilators. It's leading to a debate over the best way to get oxygen into their damaged lungs., By Lydia Ramsey Apr 10, 2020.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/ventilator-high-flow-oxygen-coronavirus-patients-ards-dying-2020-4

    Oops! Right? ;-)
     
  2. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Only if it is a symbol of systemic racism.
    And it probably is.
     
  3. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    What does that have to do with anything?
     
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    Read again - it answered your question.
    Machine guns would not have been as deadly as the mandated treatment.
     
  5. Melb_muser

    Melb_muser Well-Known Member Donor

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    OP: I wonder if China is watching this thread. Right now.
     
  6. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I've heard nothing of this. Can you point me to an unbiased source?
     
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    covid changes weekly so there is no immunity

    weekly vaccinations
     
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  8. Ddyad

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    The AP reporting against its bias is as close to objective reporting as you can get.

    "Doctors are still figuring out the best ways to care for patients with COVID-19, the illness caused by the novel coronavirus.
    Over the past few weeks, as the virus has spread in New York City, one hospital has started keeping patients off ventilators longer, hoping that they'll be able to recover faster than if they were intubated.
    Others are trying tactics like placing patients on their stomachs to help their lungs better circulate oxygen."

    "The Associated Press reported on Wednesday that New York City officials said 80% of patients on ventilators there had died."
    BUSINESS INSIDER, Coronavirus patients are dying on ventilators. It's leading to a debate over the best way to get oxygen into their damaged lungs., By Lydia Ramsey Apr 10, 2020.
    https://www.businessinsider.com/ventilator-high-flow-oxygen-coronavirus-patients-ards-dying-2020-4
     
  9. Ddyad

    Ddyad Well-Known Member

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    Daily.
     
  10. Dayton3

    Dayton3 Well-Known Member

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    I had read somewhere that some thought that ventilators might do more harm than good.

    But all of this sounds more like doctors casting about to find ways of treating a disease they are unfamiliar with than any kind of conspiracy or calculated way of profiting from the illness.
     
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    Safe effective life saving treatments for chest viruses have been known for decades. Most are just too cheap.

    "Yesterday, there was a study published on Medrxiv by Maganoli et al that claimed that more evidence now hints that hydroxychloroquine doesn’t help treat COVID-19. In the study, the authors said they found no evidence that the use of hydroxychloroquine, either with or without azithromycin, reduced the risk of mechanical ventilation in patients hospitalized with Covid-19.

    Now, renowned French Dr. Didier Raoult is responding to the authors, citing biases in the conclusion of the study. “The study published in pre-print on 04/21 on Medrxiv by Maganoli et al has three major biases which invalidate its conclusions, in any case absurd and incompatible with the literature,” Dr. Raoult wrote.

    In a post on Twitter, Dr. Raoult asked: “Regarding the Mahevas study in Medrxiv. Could the authors explain why 8 patients treated with hydroxychloroquine were counted in the control group? Moreover, could they inform the public about the clinical outcome of these patients?”
    TECH STARTUPS, Renowned French Dr. Didier Raoult issued a response to biases in the study critical of hydroxychloroquine, By TechStartups Team, APRIL 22, 2020.
    https://techstartups.com/2020/04/22...nse-biases-study-critical-hydroxychloroquine/

    But relax, people do not do bad things for money. Right? ;-)
     
  12. Dayton3

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    Sure they do. But "bad" does not necessarily mean "depraved". I've known many people I would NOT trust with my money but by the same token I don't think those same people would harm me or allow me to come to harm for money.
     
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    IOW, you do not "rely on the kindness of strangers". That's smart.

    “Rwandan Hutus in 1994 could freely, joyfully, and systematically slaughter 8,000 Tutsi a day for 100 days without any foreign interference.” A Problem from Hell, America and the Age of Genocide, Samantha Power, Basic Books 2002.
     
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    I know. I remember following the Rwandan genocide when it happened. Not easy to follow as it consisted of a short article buried 20 pages deep in the paper most days. I then taught about it to my World History classes 20 years later. The most difficult thing was to get the students to stop snickering when when they heard "Hutus and Tutsis" which to me was supremely annoying.

    Though interestingly enough the Rwandan genocide did bring to the worlds attention one of the underrated military and political leaders of the 20th century, Paul Kagame. The fact that Rwanda in the aftermath of that horror ended up becoming a somewhat stable and orderly country (by African standards) is one of the lesser known miracles of world history.
     
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    The Rwanda genocide was just the latest proof that reliance on the kindness of strangers is very dangerous for living human beings.

    “At an interactive agency teleconference in late April, Susan Rice, a rising star of the NSC who worked under Richard Clarke, stunned a few of the officials present when she asked, “If we use the word ‘genocide’ and are seen as doing nothing, what will be the effect on the November Congressional election?” “A Problem From Hell”, America and the Age of Genocide, Samantha Power Harper Collins 2002, p. 359.

    Have you noticed that many "do-gooders" operate without any regard to morality ethics or any law?
     
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    Anytime the U.S. does 'get involved' in any genocide overseas 'do-gooders' and 'social justice warriors' wet themselves and start screaming 'imperialism!!!' The more effective it is at stopping it the louder they scream. Any effective foreign policy has been done away with the last 40 years, in favor of pandering to crime syndicates and dictators.

    Chinese or Islamic imperialism is of course either completely ignored or praised as 'joining the international community n stuff' and 'rejecting isolationism'. In Biden's case he has promised to make scary faces as he wags his finger at them, but we all know he's on their payroll. His current laughable 'climate change' rubbish is just another indication he's more interested in lining Al Gore's pockets and crippling the U.S. economy while doing nothing at all about the hundred or so coal plants the Red Chinese have already building or in the planning stages.
     
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    Those who pose as "do-gooders", like Susan Rice, facilitated the genocide in Rwanda.

    “Even after the reality of genocide and Rwanda had become irrefutable, when bodies were choking that Kagera River on America's nightly news, the brute fact of the the slaughter failed to influence U.S. policy except in a negative way. As they had done in Bosnia, American officials again shunned the g-word. They were afraid that using it would have obliged the United States to act under the terms the 1948 genocide convention. They also believed, rightly, that it would harm U.S. credibility to name the crime and then do nothing to stop it.”

    “Lieut. Col. [Tony] Marley [the U.S. military liaison to the Arusha process], remembers the incredulity of his colleagues at the State Department. “We could believe that people would wonder that, he says, but not that they would actually voice it.”
    A PROBLEM FROM HELL, America and the Age of Genocide, Samantha Power Harper Collins 2002. p. 359.
     
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    The U.S. is right to avoid getting involved in such actions. Nobody will like the results, and it makes us liable for a permanent welfare program in a bottomless shtihole. We've had a enough of those. If we aren't going in to win up front, there is no point in going in at all. We need to focus entirely on our own interests same as the rest of the planet does, and stop being suckers and Sugar Daddies for atavistic degenerate failed cultures and states. Save the 'do gooder' ops for those peoples who will actually appreciate them and strive to make them successful, not a bunch of emotionally retarded 7th century gimps like Iraqis or any Arab state for that matter;Islamists are poor candidates for anything positive to work, and they just think we're stupid morons to be exploited and then laughed at. So does most of Europe for that matter.
     
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    The victims of the Rwanda genocide were not "Islamists".
    Genocide is a Crime Against Humanity. Every human being should support aggressive intervention to stop it whenever possible.

    The US actively facilitated the genocide. Susan Rice, Madeleine Albright and everyone else who participated in forcing a UN withdrawal are in fact 'evil-doers'.

    “The UN Security Council now made a decision that sealed the Tutsi’s fate and signaled
    the militia that it would have free rein. The U.S. demand for a full UN withdrawal had
    been opposed by some African nations, and even by Madeleine Albright; so the United
    States lobbied instead for a dramatic drawdown in troop strength. “
    The Atlantic Monthly, Bystanders to Genocide , By. Samantha Power, September 2001.
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2001/09/bystanders-to-genocide/304571/

    Hence my comment that people who pose as 'do gooders' are often just bad to the bone.
     
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    Wasn't that due mainly because of the brutal murder of the UN peacekeepers from Belgium who were supposed to protect one of the Rwandan leaders early in the genocide?
     
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    They have probably collected all this sort of information, analysed it and produced multitudinous possible military, economic and political responses to it, twenty years ago.
     
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    The above is a good example of - Parroting one of the favorite Establishment false narratives.

    Russia has the capability of destroying the US many times over - China has the capability to nuke the US back into the Stone age - not by 2049 - but right now.

    Military is no longer the strongest piece on the Geopolitical Chessboard - and hasn't been for some time - The nation that wastes its resources on maintaining the fiction of military hegemony is committing a grave blunder - as these resources can be much better applied to the strongest piece of the puzzle - which is economic.

    You have been duped Dayton
     
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    Those moves involved Congress and the president.
     
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  24. Dayton3

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    Completely wrong on both counts. and how it is an "Establishment false narrative" anyway? I've never heard anyone in the "Establishment" promote this idea.
     
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    If you have not heard - you have not been listening - at least not consciously - but regardless the main false narrative is what you are spewing .. and running around in a circle crying "NO NO NO - Wrong Wrong Wrong" and not offering a single comment on what you think is wrong - is not an argument for much.

    So then - when you finish twirling around and eyes reset back in head. Explain how you have missed the promotion of the benefits of our Military by pundits on both the left and the right .. over the last 75 years.

    Never heard this once you claim - Even though folks living in caves have heard this.

    Where were you living - and how on earth did you manage to be a teacher of history and be so uniformed of it - by your own admission.
     

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